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29th November 2008, 08:29am
#1
by camdawg7
america United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 307

Why do you lose points on problems you have solved, but with a low amount of alotted time left on the clock?  Especially when the problem is rated higher than your current rating?

29th November 2008, 09:18am
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945

The point of your rating is to select good problems for you to practice. If it takes you longer than most people to solve problems, you should be practicing more problems at that level. So, your rating is kept from going up so that you can continue to practice problems at this level until you are more proficient at them than most people.

29th November 2008, 09:25am
#3
by trigs
Hamilton Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2076

simple answer: you are playing against the problem and the time it takes you to complete it. therefore, if you complete the problem correctly but take "too much" time you may still lose rating points.

29th November 2008, 09:37am
#4
by buffetrand
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 116

I find it a bit frustrating too, camdawg. Using this system, you might at the same rating have a relatively easy problem with a short time span and a relatively hard problem with a long time span. Doing these problems one after another is strange, and forces you to change gears quickly. In normal chess, the time pressure is more continuous. Maybe the solution is to seperate a "Blitz" tactics trainer, thats more time intensive, from a normal one with less pressure?

That said, I think TT is pretty darned good the way it is...

29th November 2008, 10:06am
#5
by LucenaTDB
Johnson City TN United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 387

The time is set by how long it takes other people to solve the problem.

30th November 2008, 09:59am
#6
by camdawg7
america United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 307
Loomis wrote:

The point of your rating is to select good problems for you to practice. If it takes you longer than most people to solve problems, you should be practicing more problems at that level. So, your rating is kept from going up so that you can continue to practice problems at this level until you are more proficient at them than most people.


Thanks Loomis, I guess that makes sense. 

It just seems a bit deceiving --

Camdawg: "Sweet I solved it!"

Computer: "You lose points anyway 'cause I don't like you jerkhead."

30th November 2008, 11:32am
#7
by Patzer24
United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 13487

You can take a look at http://www.chess.com/tactics/help.html#rating for more information on how the tactics trainer rating and time works.

30th November 2008, 11:39am
#8
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945

camdawg, it's not that the computer doesn't like you. It's that the computer (or rather, the computer programmer) believes your tactical training would benefit from more problems of this level. Your tactics trainer rating isn't there for your ego, or as a competition. It's a tool to optimize your tactical training.

1st December 2008, 01:12pm
#9
by camdawg7
america United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 307
Loomis wrote:

camdawg, it's not that the computer doesn't like you. It's that the computer (or rather, the computer programmer) believes your tactical training would benefit from more problems of this level. Your tactics trainer rating isn't there for your ego, or as a competition. It's a tool to optimize your tactical training.


I know Loomis. It was a joke.

1st December 2008, 01:15pm
#10
by camdawg7
america United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 307
Patzer24 wrote:

You can take a look at http://www.chess.com/tactics/help.html#rating for more information on how the tactics trainer rating and time works.


Thanks Patzer, that graph really helped!

 

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