This guy I was playing (Name removed to protect the guilty LOL)... it got down to king+bishop vs. king+bishop (it was a draw a long time ago due to opposite colours) and he made me play on until the 50 move rule occurred, ignoring all my draw requests. Isn't that bad etiquette? And also, shouldn't the game engine automatically call draws by insufficient material?
The Gambit King
Gambit King, I was at first thinking that it is also a draw by insufficient material, but since you had opposite colored pawns then I guess this situation is possible (but you'd have to be really bad or try hard to be in it)...
...but back to your original question..I do feel like that was bad etiquette. The other player was probably hoping to be annoying enough, as for you to get fed up and quit.
I guess this is one of the reasons I hesitate to play on the web. I would have certainly given you the draw, or even "insisted" (to whatever degree one has a right to do so) on one myself. Was he expecting you to resign just so you could get on with your life? Such would be a form of trying to bully you into resigning or punishing you for not doing so, which is certainly irritating. Especially if as you say, the situation was drawn from before the K+B vs K+B 50 move start point. Monado depicts an interesting helpmate, but your opponent could not have assumed or even hoped you would cooperate to such a degree.
Yeah i hadn't thought about that checkmate, LOL... I thought you had to have a pawn to block the king in too but i guess you don't. And by 'it was a draw earlier due to opposite colours' i meant that it was a pawn endgame with opposite coloured bishops which is almost always a draw if one side is withing one or two pawns of the other. But i don't mean to take up so much of your time, and you're right, i probably shouldn't have said his name, so i'll edit my post and take it out LOL. When it comes down to it, it's not even that important, i was just thinking that the game engine should have called it a draw, but today i learned a new checkmate position... ;) anyways, sometimes people are like that. No worries, mate LOL
P. S.: Did you ever think about this position?
Playing chess on the internet is kind of like being set up on a lot of blind dates. Some people you meet will be OK but uninspiring, some you may start to like and hope to build a relationship with, and some will be just ghastly.
But the good thing is that, after you put yourself out there for a while, you may just build up a circle of chess friends; and after that, you won't need to deal with the idiots anymore (unless you get hungry for something quick and anonymous). In correspondence chess, this process can take a while--it's more like going on a "blind cruise" rather than a blind date, since the only way you can get away is by jumping ship.
Just follow real-world rules and you'll be fine. If someone is acting like a jerk, write them off and move on.
Certainly. I would be pissed and never play him again. At a local club, I would be surprised if anyone witnessing the event played him again.
Gambitking> And also, shouldn't the game engine automatically call draws by insufficient material?
Alas, no. The rule is stated very clearly in FIDE's Laws of Chess 9.6: "The game is drawn when a position is reached from which a checkmate cannot occur by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled play. This immediately ends the game." Monato has already proven you could have been mated if you played horribly.
That would have been a good idea. However, I hadn't thought of that B vs. B checkmate position before and so I thought the engine just didn't have insufficient material programmed into it. I thought maybe it would give him hope for a win and make him play potentially longer if he took my bishop LOL... but this whole thing strikes me as funny for some reason... thank you all for weighing in on this, but we must remember it's just blitz chess, and although an annoying inconvenience doesn't matter that much. Plus, the guy could have been just a raw beginner and not been trying to be annoying... it is his right after all. But if someone's gonna' be annoying, he might as well stir up some entertaining discussions as well, like cheater_1 did ROFL!
If a player has sufficient material to mate then they have every right to continue even if the game is completely drawn. The only exception would be if an arbiter ruled it drawn due to the player with extra material not making any progress. For example if an extra pawn is blocked and has no chance of ever advancing and the player tries to win on time by moving his king all around but without improving his position then an arbiter could rule it drawn even though technically there are ways to win if the other player plays like an idiot. I do not know of the specifics of the position you are talking about but I would just give the benefit of the doubt. The weakest part of many players game is the endgame so perhaps they genuinely did not realize it was drawn. I would just prove it was drawn, however long that took and then perhaps give some pointers as to why it was drawn when they finally accept it. I have seen many cases in over the board games where people have no clue as to whether a game is drawn or not and continue for ages. In this case and even online I think it is ok etiquette to explain why you are offering the draw. So in the case in question you could have said “Your only way of winning is to queen your pawn. Wherever you put your king, wherever you put your bishop, when you advance the pawn I will simply give my bishop up for it leaving just your king and bishop against my king where mate is not possible.” You could also include a couple of tempting looking variations and show why they are still drawn. Unless you make any mistakes in what you say I think it would then be bad etiquette for them to continue.
you could have sac'ed your bishop, but obviously opp wouldn't have accepted your sac :)
call it "endgame: B- gambit declined" :)
The sort of play De-Lar illustates is not subjectively best for white - white should once in a while leave its Bishop en prise hoping that black is sleepy enough to take it. (0.00001% chance...)
Of course black should not the white B even if black can, given that black's goal is to go on for 50 moves ..
psychological chess by black, implanting in a susceptible white a distracting irritation at seeing black's name? Maybe they'll come up against each other some time in a tournament... By discussing this whites are re-inforcing their own distractibility.
Or white will meet someone in an OTB fide-recognised tournament -- they'll have read this thread and announce themselves (falsely) as - i am the one who prolonged *that online one* for 50 extra moves ;)
i think that if someone does that to you just sacrifice your bishop and the engine will call it a draw becuse there are no mating positions, ain't i right, if the gut won't take your bishop then he's an as*****
Wait wait.. i would play it like this
lol Fritz awards this move two exclamation points and an pound sign. -
Fritz exclaims twice and then puts just a quid into the hat???? i thought the move deserved a tenner minimum - Fritz is some miser! Let Fritz try doing that to a London taxi driver and it just *might* find itself with all its teeth broken to bits --- no, it is bits already --- it might find its teeth broken into bits and *shuffled* ;)
Shuffled *carefully* so that Fritz still runs (for life?) but resigns every time a game begins, and goes "I am afraid of chess, no taxis, no it is chess no wait ..." on and on in that vein.
LOL... i had my fun with London cabbies... pleasant folk the lot of em. Ever helpful to a poor lost American bloke set loose in Queens territory.
But more than once I had ended up far from where i wanted to get... i'll have to award myself a question mark there and give the cabbies the benefit of the doubt.
London after all... is a mess during Wimbledon.
:) i was thinking of going home for wimbledon - but TV gives a much better view - and how many times do i have to see the Wimbledon OPen from the stands? 17 Wimbledon's is enough ... maybe i'll go home for the semis and the finals ...
Some things aren't so attractive to a local as they are to a tourist :)
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