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Drawn Positions Lost on Time


  • 18 months ago · Quote · #1

    paternicus

    I've been playing 10|0 live games on chess.com, and I've recently been running into a strange (and incredibly frustrating) phenomenon.  Sometimes I will play a game through, and as the game runs its course, it winds up in a drawn position.  However, often times in this sort of game, I find myself down on time.  I'm not talking about theoretical, R+B vs R "with best play by both sides" draws either.  In that case I would understand if the other person wants to press on and test how well I know my endgames.  I'm talking about positions where neither side can make any progress without a colossal blunder by their opponents.  This position perfectly describes what i'm talking about.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     This position arose after the 47th move, where after which I had 30 seconds remaining and my opponent had 2:30 left.  Clearly my opponent, as White, can make no progress here.  The knight gets captured anywhere it goes, and the king cannot pass the 5th rank.  He has no winning chances.  I am also at an impasse, for my bishop is stuck guarding my pawn at a3, and my king guarding the pawn at d4.  I only later noticed that ...Kc7! would have won the game for me, so at the moment I would have been happy to accept a draw.  My opponent, though, spent the next 18 moves moving his king around hoping to win on time, while I shuttled my bishop back and forth between b7 and c8.  I ended up losing on time after my opponent's 75th move!

     This is incredibly frustrating.  Not only would any tournament director in the world uphold a protest, common decency should encourage everybody to accept a draw in this situation.  I know that this sort of behavior is incredibly hard to adjudicate, but there should be more safeguards in place to prevent clearly drawn games to go to losses on time.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #2

    Hugh_T_Patterson

    This one is a tough call. If your playing a live game, the position above appears to be a draw. I say "appears" because I'm not a GM or even a CM, thus I am being careful pronouncing the game a draw. However, if we assume the game is a dead draw, you bring up a good point. In tournament play, my opponent and I would probably look at one another and say "draw" in unison! I've played games in which my opponent asked for a draw and after looking over the position I say no. On many occasions, I've gone on to win. However, there have been occasions where it was a draw and I apologized to my opponent!

    It would be nice if there was something in place (for Internet games) in which a warning that the position was likely to end in a draw. This way, both players would be able to see that they were entering into a potentially drawn game and act accordingly.

    There are people who think it better to play to the bitter end even if it wastes every-one's time. Since there is no rule (here on chess.com) regarding that, it's considered acceptable. I've played games I'm losing looking for a stalemate position so I guess I'm offending someone. Thanks for the posting, you bring up a good point. Just prepare yourself for a few people adding their "two cents" into the thread, postings that have nothing to do with the topic.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #3

    Bort123

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  • 13 months ago · Quote · #4

    ivandh

    Bort123 wrote:
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    You should have left a period, then this thread resurrect would some kind of a point.


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