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  • 3 years ago · Quote · #1

    TheMoonwalker

    Hey chessers!

    I've actually come to the point where I feel I have to make a thread about this. It is mainly directed to the staff people.

    I play a lot of bullet chess on this site, and I'm a frequent user of premoves. However, a while ago the site changed the premoves so that now a premove takes 0.1 second. Earlier I think it was 0.01 which worked fine. The only result of this new change is that many games end up being won by the person that does not deserve to win. e.g. a Q+K vs K gets drawn. It's a bad change and I havent seen anyone that like the change, however I know people that have stopped playing because it's not fair anymore. I'm asking if you can change it back to what it used to be? 

    Moon ;)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #2

    TheMoonwalker

    Thanks. I wish a staff member could comment on this.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #3

    beau_zeau

    I agree. A change like that negates the idea of pre-moving.

    Either have a pre-move or don't.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    RainbowRising

    It was never 0.01, it went from no time to 0.1.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    heinzie

    There are sites where premoves cost 0.0, there are sites where premoves cost 0.1, and there are sites where premoves don't even exist. It does not matter so much.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #6

    guroux

    what we actually should be worrying about instead of this first is that the lack of foundation of premoves.  What i mean is that when you start of playing in chess.com, they dont start you off with premove, it should be.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #7

    i_r_n00b

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY_ytxxQF9g&playnext=1&list=PLA87D4BDC740633DD

    clearly it takes less than .1 sec to make a move irl

     amirite?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    Fire_PenguiN

    I agree with moon. Premoves with 0 time were better Smile

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    AnthonyCG

    Seeing as it is humanly impossible to do anything in 0.0 seconds....

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #11

    AnthonyCG

    LordNazgul wrote:

    Frankly, I am not sure what to think about this... there doesn't seem to be much difference between 0.0 and 0.1 anyway. If there appears to be a difference, I am guessing that it's likely caused by lag.


    Chuck Norris plays his normal moves at 0.1 seconds.

    Due to the fact that Chuck Norris is human and in the interest of fairness, premove has been set to 0.1 in order to give players a feel of what it is like to be like him.

    In light of this Chuck has increased his speed to 2 moves/0.01 second which is not implementable by chess.com.

    Still, you will be able to at least premove like he used to.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #12

    ShadowIKnight

    This topic has been SO greatly debated in those premove trollers.
    0.1 seconds is a compromise
    0 second premoves would be great but it would also mean I lose a lot more since i play for time... hehehehe.

    I like the 0.1 seconds. but thats not the point. The point is whether it is chesslike.
    It is unchesslike to have premoves in the first place isnt it? Irl, you move fast to make the fast move. in internet, just move fast yourself, if the lag and things are working (eg lag doesnt account to your time). it might be a little slower, so then premoves are there to help you. premoves will naturally make the time you would if you were moving really fast in real life. except, maybe a bit quicker.

    and so there you go, 0.1 seconds compromise. 0 seconds? if you want.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    ShadowIKnight

    there is a HUGE difference between 0.1 and 0 seconds.

    I have lost so many games. I have 2.1 seconds on my clock, that is 20 moves to checkmate my opponent. This includes random queen saccing if your opponent is low on time too. :D But its hard to checkmate like that. especially if he checks you... ugh. premove king ftw.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #14

    ShadowIKnight

    I say 20 moves, that is, its like k+q+soem pawns vs k and knight and some pawns or something, with me with the queen. It should be clearly won with me, just keep checking him to make him lose time too, but i have to use up my own time of 2.1 seconds to make him eitherl ose all his time, or mate him. usually I lose with that little time though

    so premove of 0.1 sec and 0 sec is huge.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #15

    Pawnpusher3

    I like premove of 0 seconds

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #16

    SavageLotus

    If you guys claim that you can actually make a move and hit your clock in real life in LESS than a tenth of a second, then you are either:

    a.) a super cyborg-ninja with mad skillz, or

    b.) full of horse-pucky.

    The clock is there for a reason in real life and chess.com play should mimic real life play. Thats my opinion.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #17

    Pawnpusher3

    SavageLotus wrote:

    If you guys claim that you can actually make a move and hit your clock in real life in LESS than a tenth of a second, then you are either:

    a.) a super cyborg-ninja with mad skillz, or

    b.) full of horse-pucky.

    The clock is there for a reason in real life and chess.com play should mimic real life play. Thats my opinion.

    Although you are right in the concept that chess.com should mimic real life play, I think you are missing the point. Bullet chess (for the most part) is not played in real life. People cannot premove in real life either. The whole idea of a premove is only a concept that is used online. If the time consumed for premove was 0 seconds then it would significantly impact online bullet games. Although chess.com should mimic real life situations, which it does for the most part, the whole online chess "idea" is much different than OTB play. As a result of this, online chess will never truly be able to mimic OTB play 100%.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #18

    Pawnpusher3

    I think that most people would agree with you UnD3r0ath.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #19

    SameOldFears

    How is iit unfair as both players have equal pre-move time?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #20

    Scottrf

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