Random in seek,why almost always black?

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9th October 2008, 12:57pm
#1
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155

Hi,

I am new around here. I have been using "random" choice in seek in live chess.

In 8/10 games, I was alloted black.Statastically not really random.

Not that I mind, but still, why?

Anybody know?

sss3006

10th October 2008, 07:38pm
#2
by redlite462
Sutherlin, OR United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 114

statistically 10 samples is not really relevant. A rough estimate would abt .5% chance of 8/10 being black, lousy luck but for sure randomly possible...

10th October 2008, 07:50pm
#3
by ih8sens
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2763

They're out to getchya

10th October 2008, 07:55pm
#4
by Niven42
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1140

I checked when I was at 135 games...  67 were as black, 68 were as white...  I really think the software does take your history into account when looking for seeks, and does try to give you an equal amount.  You just happen to be seeking at a time when most of your opponents are black-heavy, and need more games as white.  It should balance out over time.

10th October 2008, 08:05pm
#5
by Tr4mpldUndrfooT
Ohio United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 256

Maybe people are only accepting the games when they show up as white? I know it does show you what color you are going to be before you accept.

10th October 2008, 08:35pm
#6
by RandomPrecision
Illinois United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 309

I think I've had some skew towards the black pieces (at one point, I think I was almost 2:1 black:white over a about one hundred blitz games), but I've always just assumed I got the improbable end of the stick.  Over the next few hundred, I'll probably level it out.

10th October 2008, 09:35pm
#7
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155

ok guys - lots of answers. All possible. Hmmm. So as such nobody actually knows.Wink

10th October 2008, 09:39pm
#8
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
ih8sens wrote:

They're out to getchya


u really think theyre out to get me? Laughing. Ha ha Me? Im insignificant in this large world which is in this enormous milky way which is in this unimaginably big universe. Who would have the time to try to "get" me

10th October 2008, 09:41pm
#9
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
ELBEASTO wrote:

Sorry to break the news, but it really is 100% random.  You just have bad luck.


Bad luck? Hmmm. I just won 10 games out of 10, out of which i should have been won 7/ loss 2/ draw 1. Actually luck seems to be favouring me at present right?

10th October 2008, 09:43pm
#10
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
redlite462 wrote:

statistically 10 samples is not really relevant. A rough estimate would abt .5% chance of 8/10 being black, lousy luck but for sure randomly possible...


bad luck huh? am having the run of my life - winning games i should have lost / drawn. hmmmm.

10th October 2008, 09:46pm
#11
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
RandomPrecision wrote:

I think I've had some skew towards the black pieces (at one point, I think I was almost 2:1 black:white over a about one hundred blitz games), but I've always just assumed I got the improbable end of the stick.  Over the next few hundred, I'll probably level it out.


pl let me know once u reach 300 / 400. It should then be statastically significant. We can have redlite462 do an analysis - seems to be a whiz in stats. How he arrived at 0.5% i dont understand. Anyway- i was never good in probablity theory.

10th October 2008, 09:47pm
#12
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
redlite462 wrote:

statistically 10 samples is not really relevant. A rough estimate would abt .5% chance of 8/10 being black, lousy luck but for sure randomly possible...


u a whiz in stats?

10th October 2008, 09:49pm
#13
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
Tr4mpldUndrfooT wrote:

Maybe people are only accepting the games when they show up as white? I know it does show you what color you are going to be before you accept.


Cant be answer, because logically, that means i have ALREADY been alloted black by the computer right, so problem is still same?

10th October 2008, 09:50pm
#14
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
RandomPrecision wrote:

I think I've had some skew towards the black pieces (at one point, I think I was almost 2:1 black:white over a about one hundred blitz games), but I've always just assumed I got the improbable end of the stick.  Over the next few hundred, I'll probably level it out.


thats going to take some time since i dont play fast gamesSmile

11th October 2008, 09:19am
#15
by redlite462
Sutherlin, OR United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 114

are you a whiz at stats?? I said it was a rough estimate. you have a 50% (.50)chance of getting black in one game. getting black twice would be would be (.50)x(.50) or .25 (25%). getting 8 in a row would be .5^8 or abt .005. like I said rough estimate.

11th October 2008, 09:26am
#16
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
redlite462 wrote:

are you a whiz at stats?? I said it was a rough estimate. you have a 50% (.50)chance of getting black in one game. getting black twice would be would be (.50)x(.50) or .25 (25%). getting 8 in a row would be .5^8 or abt .005. like I said rough estimate.


OK.as i said, im poor in stats.

11th October 2008, 11:04am
#17
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
ELBEASTO wrote:

Yeah you just have bad luck lol


im not sure about bad luck. After all out of 10 games, 8 black i won all 10!!! 2 of these i should have actually lost. sheer luck i won those

11th October 2008, 11:26am
#18
by pfargen
usa United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 617
sss3006 wrote:
Tr4mpldUndrfooT wrote:

Maybe people are only accepting the games when they show up as white? I know it does show you what color you are going to be before you accept.


Cant be answer, because logically, that means i have ALREADY been alloted black by the computer right, so problem is still same?


 When we click a game, it shows it to you - including the color.  If one wants to play white, but it shows black, then they can cancel.  That would lead to people initiating seeks to play more black, if indeed people wanted white.  You can initiate some and then accept open seeks some too, and even initiate games and specify black.  I would just try to  balance out White and Black.   But no, this is not a random process.

11th October 2008, 11:31am
#19
by pfargen
usa United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 617
pfargen wrote:
sss3006 wrote:
Tr4mpldUndrfooT wrote:

Maybe people are only accepting the games when they show up as white? I know it does show you what color you are going to be before you accept.


Cant be answer, because logically, that means i have ALREADY been alloted black by the computer right, so problem is still same?


 When we click a game, it shows it to you - including the color.  If one wants to play white, but it shows black, then they can cancel.  That would lead to people initiating seeks to play more black, if indeed people wanted white.  You can initiate some and then accept open seeks some too, and even initiate games and specify black.  I would just try to  balance out White and Black.   But no, this is not a random process.


 I just clicked all all seven open seeks available to me.  Every time I was assigned the White Pieces.  I looked, and then cancelled.  I'm not sure what's up, but this is not a random process to the second power!

11th October 2008, 11:39am
#20
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155
pfargen wrote:
sss3006 wrote:
Tr4mpldUndrfooT wrote:

Maybe people are only accepting the games when they show up as white? I know it does show you what color you are going to be before you accept.


Cant be answer, because logically, that means i have ALREADY been alloted black by the computer right, so problem is still same?


 When we click a game, it shows it to you - including the color.  If one wants to play white, but it shows black, then they can cancel.  That would lead to people initiating seeks to play more black, if indeed people wanted white.  You can initiate some and then accept open seeks some too, and even initiate games and specify black.  I would just try to  balance out White and Black.   But no, this is not a random process.


When we choose "random" choice while we wait for someone to join us in seek, i dont see whether i am getting balck or white till someone actually joins - cancelling at this stage somehow doesnt feel fair to the other guy who want to play u right?. i thought it would be really random, but i seem to be getting blacks in a row. White only 3 times now.

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