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Should we get rid of Abort?


  • 14 months ago · #201

    Dr_Cris_Angel

    What if the dang thing moved too fast and I meant to accept the challenge of the person near my rating rather than the person rated 800 points higher than me. It's happend a few times. I always apologize to the opponent and let them know it was an accidental acceptance (and to be honest, they probably don't want me either) and then I abort. I do not abuse it.

  • 14 months ago · #202

    xyzed

    OK all the way with DeepGreene.

  • 14 months ago · #203

    Irontiger

    Dr_Cris_Angel wrote:

    What if the dang thing moved too fast and I meant to accept the challenge of the person near my rating rather than the person rated 800 points higher than me. It's happend a few times. I always apologize to the opponent and let them know it was an accidental acceptance (and to be honest, they probably don't want me either) and then I abort. I do not abuse it.

    OK, I will write it one more time for those who don't understand it :

    Accidents are accidental, hence being forced to resign for them does not impair one's rating on the long run.


    Question : is there any single reason to abort games that is non-accidental (ie not caused by a mistake from the aborter's part) ?

  • 14 months ago · #204

    Pippychess

    KEEP ABORT - everyone mis clicks sometimes

  • 14 months ago · #205

    MikeCrockett

    I have decided that if this proposal goes into effect I will just choose to resign any rematch automatically. That should make me real popular. Free rating points for any one who wants them.

  • 14 months ago · #206

    Thor0022

    I say yes, because you clicked on the start game button, so you should play. Also, I hate people who search games.

  • 14 months ago · #207

    chungle

    Accidents are accidental, hence being forced to resign for them does not impair one's rating on the long run.



    Except the concept of "resigning" gets ruined.  You know, you could keep abort and make people lose rating points if they use it! 

  • 14 months ago · #208

    PorcupineIV

    johnsmithson wrote:

    Yeah sure....

    "Honey, you can't start another chess game"

    "Oh but chess.com decided that they eliminated the abort button and I already asked to start another game!"

    Totally brain dead idea.  The abort button has tons of uses among which are:

    a) Accidental start of a game because you automatically hit "New game" after dropping your queen.

    b) Not playing abusive players who you just played two games prior who spent the entire time questioning your maculinity and ancestry.

    c) Fixing snafu's in settings like you meant to play a 2/1 game and hit the 30 minute game instead.

    d) Aborting games with guys from Madagascar because everyone knows they are all fiends or sockpuppets.

    e) Realizing that you have to pee even though you hit the "New game" button.

    f) Suddenly realizing that the comment board is full of insults and you are going to play this jerk again.

    etc, etc, etc...

     

    Why remove an oft-used feature????

    For a fellow of my advanced years, reason "E" happens more than I care to think about.

     

    Still, I get more aborts outta Iran, Egypt, Jordan and Syria than anywhere else.

     

    Fewer from India. Indian players, however, are eternal optomists who love to accept my Queens Gambit, and then try ta hang onto the pawn. It might not be the best chess, but They go down swinging.

  • 14 months ago · #209

    DeepGreene

    MikeCrockett wrote:

    I have decided that if this proposal goes into effect I will just choose to resign any rematch automatically. That should make me real popular. Free rating points for any one who wants them.

    Fwiw, the pairing algorithm does try to find a different opponent than the one you just played every time you hit "New Game" instead of "Rematch". If you end up with the same person again, it's because that was the best or the only appropriate pairing available at the time.

  • 14 months ago · #210

    Irontiger

    chungle wrote:
    Accidents are accidental, hence being forced to resign for them does not impair one's rating on the long run.



    Except the concept of "resigning" gets ruined.  You know, you could keep abort and make people lose rating points if they use it! 

    Ok, if you don't like it, let's call the button "sacrifice rating points to abort". The display will change to "resign" after two moves.

    I'm not sure the symbol is worth the hassle.

  • 14 months ago · #211

    chungle

    Irontiger wrote:

    I'm not sure the symbol is worth the hassle.

    The abort button already exists though, so what's the hassle?  Adding the punishment code shouldn't be that much trouble.  And we get to keep a symbol untainted.

  • 14 months ago · #212

    DeepGreene

    Thanks very much for all your input, guys!

    I'm going to lock this down for the time being, just so any late-comers know that, although we haven't made any firm plans...

    - Players will likely be able to continue using (limited) Aborts, similar to now... but possibly more limited than now.

    - We will be making other changes to the pairing logic which we hope will make it harder to get rematched if you hit "New Game" - even if it means a slightly longer wait.

    Thanks again!

  • 14 months ago · #213

    ajian

    ysnknneggxpptrwuxxxv wrote:
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    ysnknneggxpptrwuxxxv wrote:

    No, keep it.  I've been thrown into games of odd time controls that I didn't select, the abort function has come in handy then.  With no abort button I would be forced to play games I didn't want or lose ratings, pretty stupid.  I have not experienced this abortion abuse you all are talking about.

    Select your time control then, in the challenge box.

    You DID select it then, when you accepted the challenge. Everyone knows what time controls they will be getting in games, cmon.

    No.

    Please explain then how you can suddenly get random time controls, without any mistake on your behalf?

    I can't, but it happened, so I aborted the games.

    I suggest be wiser next time, or without an abort button you might have to play some weird time controls!

    Be wiser?  Like play on another site?

    Perhaps in your case, that could be an idea I wouldn't want to have to play random time controls when I didn't select them!

    I see by your other post you are rabidly anti-abort button and I'm not interested in convincing you of anything, just relaying my experience.

    I am only replying so there is a giant quote box because I think it's funny.


    No abort= Everyone will resign instead=nobodycares about rating=no resign= stalling= breaking rules=everyone is forced to be a troll! Wink

    For the first time i'm thinking about a different site.

    (I only posted under a quote since i like the giant quote box Laughing)


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