Another Problem the Computer Couldn't Solve

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19th January 2008, 05:57am
#21
by einstein_69101
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 5398
neneko wrote: einstein_69101 wrote:silentfilmstar13 wrote:Why was h3 not possible on Black's last move?
Since pawns can never move backwards then the pawns on f7 and g7 never moved through out the whole game.  How does black have a pawn on h6?  It must have been the g7 starting pawn and at one point it captured diagonally to move to h6.  Could this have been the previous move?  No because white is already occupying the g7 square.  What about the black pawn on g5?  This has to be the e7 starting pawn because we have already determined the f7, g7, and h7 starting pawns and it is not possible for a black pawn on the d-file to reach g5.  And since the white bishop occupies f6 then this pawn did not move on the previous turn.  There is a black pawn on h3.  This pawn is the d7 starting pawn since the c7 starting pawn would not be able to reach that square.  This pawn did not move on the previous turn because the white rook occupies g4.  What is left?  The black pawn on c5.

 If I'm not mistaken this doesn't exclude that black moved bxc5 the previous move.


Yep :)  I missed the possibilities of bxc5 or dxc5.  I think we need more info about the pawn on c5.

19th January 2008, 06:01am
#22
by Phobetor
Eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1215
Both bxc5 and dxc5 could have been black's last move, besides c7-c5. You can fix it with white pawns on b6 and d6, but then you're giving it away already.
19th January 2008, 06:11am
#23
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2143

White is missing seven members of his army.  Black pawns have captured seven times.  Given White's remaining forces, Black must have played c5.  White would have one less piece, had Black captured onto c5!

19th January 2008, 06:24am
#24
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2143
benws wrote: Easy! 1. dxc6 e.p. and 2. exf7#. or if 1...fxe6 2. Bxe6#. but only if the last move was c5. If Black's last move was bxc5 or dxc5, there is no mate. so don't brag that the computer didn't get the problem, there is no solution!

Refer to my post directly above yours.  Black's kingside pawns have already captured all seven of White's missing pieces.  There was nothing left for Black's pawn on c5 to have captured.

19th January 2008, 06:26am
#25
by einstein_69101
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 5398
silentfilmstar13 wrote:

White is missing seven members of his army.  Black pawns have captured seven times.  Given White's remaining forces, Black must have played c5.  White would have one less piece, had Black captured onto c5!


You are absolutely right!  :)  Nice observation  :)  Therefore from all of the info that we came up with we can use the en passant rule to capture to make this a mate in 2.  We worked well as a team.  :)

19th January 2008, 06:27am
#26
by neneko
Sweden
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Member Points: 1747
silentfilmstar13 wrote:

White is missing seven members of his army.  Black pawns have captured seven times.  Given White's remaining forces, Black must have played c5.  White would have one less piece, had Black captured onto c5!


 wow, this thing is solid. only possible move black could have played was c5.


19th January 2008, 06:30am
#27
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2143
Good work, team!
19th January 2008, 06:38am
#28
by einstein_69101
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 5398
I would think this is one of the most trickiest puzzles out of all puzzles since it took a lot of brainstorming to figure out what blacks last move was.  :)
19th January 2008, 07:03am
#29
by Pablo_Gregorian
Gouda, The Netherlands Netherlands
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 13
wow, I really enjoyed thinking about this puzzle and reading all the comments, this is really amazing!
19th January 2008, 07:17am
#30
by 789159
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 176

i see it 


19th January 2008, 07:21am
#31
by Sonico01
Québec Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2
Solved very easy
19th January 2008, 07:29am
#32
by Phobetor
Eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1215
silentfilmstar13 wrote:

White is missing seven members of his army.  Black pawns have captured seven times.  Given White's remaining forces, Black must have played c5.  White would have one less piece, had Black captured onto c5!


Ah yes, you're right :)

 

Finding the solution is easy. Proving the solution works is the hard part. 

 

You can also say "The puzzle says White to move and mate in two. So there must be a mate in two. If white can't take en passant, there's no mate in two. Therefore dxc6 must be a legal move and that's the solution." The reasoning may be a little flawed, but it does work when you know there is a solution.


19th January 2008, 08:17am
#33
by Fotoman
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 583
I see it and you have to figure out black's last move in order to solve.
19th January 2008, 12:52pm
#34
by Boring304
Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 686

I solved 


19th January 2008, 12:56pm
#35
by Unbeliever
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1119
Solved.  There are many mate in 3 variations, as already discussed, but only 1 (that I can see) mate in 2 variation.
19th January 2008, 01:24pm
#36
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4459
very clever.
24th March 2008, 03:31pm
#37
by pedro823
Sao Paulo Brazil
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 567
so easy...
24th March 2008, 03:40pm
#38
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 767

solved it:)

I dont know what everybody is saying about last moves and stuff, and variations. Its not too difficult, but very easy to miss 


24th March 2008, 05:31pm
#39
by oeteg
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 13

All this talk about "en pasant"...

This is another option:

1. Bc2 h2 (1... h5 2. Bxh7#) 2. Bxh7#

Nice and easy


24th March 2008, 05:46pm
#40
by jefe5000
Colorado United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 105
That isn't guaranteed mate in two.  1. Bc2 fxe6 2. dxe6 h2 3. Bxh7#

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