More of a brain teaser than a puzzle...

Is there any situation you can think of when checkmate does not end the game.

I often tell people who ask me how chess is played that the game ends in checkmate. Can you think of a situation when you are checkmated, but do not lose?

Well there's Stalemates and Draws that End a GAME...

ADK

ADK wrote:

Well there's Stalemates and Draws that End a GAME...

ADK

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I second that

oginschile wrote:

Can you think of a situation when you are checkmated, but do not lose?

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 Um, no. From the FIDE laws of chess:

Article 5: The completion of the game
5.1	The game is won by the player who has checkmated his opponent`s king. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the checkmate position was a legal move.

 So, if someone made an illegal move to put you in checkmate then the game doesn't end - but in that case it isn't "really" checkmate.

Of course, your statement that "the game ends in checkmate" is only partially true. Draws end games too, so do resignations and flag-falls.

How is this a brain teaser? It seems to be just a straightforward case of "look up the rules." 

draws

The only case I can think of is if your opponent's flag falls while he's delivering mate (before he takes his hand off the checkmating piece).

what if he offers a draw, checkmates, then the other player accepts?

 

Good one, jimmersw! (that would indeed work).

please, PLEASE tell me this is not just a horribly elaborate pun on the word "checkmate."

1. It was such a good game that the person that was checkmated felt that there were no real losers.
2. It was an instructional game. The person that was checkmated walked away learning much more than not playing that game.
3. There was a wager won by the loser betting on being checkmated.
4. It was a best of five match, and the loser already won three, but continued to play the remaining games.
   

tonydal wrote: Good one, jimmersw! (that would indeed work).

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 Really? Are you sure?! I think this would be a good question for an arbiter to answer (Geurt Gijssen at chesscafe.com comes to mind). The FIDE handbook states:

Article 9: The drawn game

9.1

A player wishing to offer a draw shall do so after having made a move on the chessboard and before stopping his clock and starting the opponent`s clock. An offer at any other time during play is still valid, but Article 12.6 must be considered. No conditions can be attached to the offer. In both cases the offer cannot be withdrawn and remains valid until the opponent accepts it, rejects it orally, rejects it by touching a piece with the intention of moving or capturing it, or the game is concluded in some other way.

 It seems to me the key phrase is "or the game is concluded in some other way." In view of article 5.1, checkmate "immediately ends the game" - so wouldn't this nullify the draw offer?

The situation would be if Black offers the draw before making his move, lance (maybe not a FIDE-sanctioned method of doing things, but it happens often enough).

tonydal wrote: The situation would be if Black offers the draw before making his move, lance (maybe not a FIDE-sanctioned method of doing things, but it happens often enough).

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 I'm confused.

So: Black says, "draw?" White says nothing. Black makes a move and says, "checkmate". Then White says, "I accept the draw" - and so the game ends in a draw?

My point was that according to the rule book, it sounds like the game was over the moment "checkmate" was played - "I accept the draw" was said after the game was over. You can't accept a draw once the game has ended (or so my understanding goes).

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This guy says that the scenario in the OP is virtually impossible.

There are a few different ways in order for a draw to occur.

Verbal aggreement.

3 Move repitition.

50 moves taken without a piece being captured (most instances it's the pawn). {Most people don't know about this rule, but it's there.}

The losing and winning at the same time I found rather funny for the suggestions. A checkmate but the time running up as it was said would be a rather complicated decision for an official to make, however would either result in a draw or another game, in my opinion.

Zigalday wrote

50 moves taken without a piece being captured (most instances it's the pawn). {Most people don't know about this rule, but it's there.}

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 Or a pawn being moved.

If you move a pawn, the 50 moves starts all over again...

dwaxe wrote: Zigalday wrote

50 moves taken without a piece being captured (most instances it's the pawn). {Most people don't know about this rule, but it's there.}

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 Or a pawn being moved.

If you move a pawn, the 50 moves starts all over again...

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 That's why i never really understood that rule too muc, just knew about it. A ton of loopholes. Thx for the information.

 

Oh yah and another ending that come up in draws is also when It's KvK+N or KvK+B

What about if the last move of the 50-move ruleis a checkmate, which action takes precedence?

"Is there any situation you can think of when checkmate does not end the game."

When I played with the Lady, it can be some exceptions of FIDE Rules...

 

You may be checkmated but win in points.