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Daily Puzzle 9/15/13-Win a WHOLE rook


  • 15 months ago · Quote · #21

    1random

    Just to clear this up, I checked this with Houdini. Bf8 is mate in 11 after Qd5 Qe1+ Kh2 Bd6 Qe4 Qg3+ Kg1 Bxe5 Kf1 Rf8+ Qf5 Rxf5+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qd5+ Ke2 Bc3 a5 Qd2#

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #22

    GSHAPIROY

    1random wrote:

    Just to clear this up, I checked this with Houdini. Bf8 is mate in 11 after Qd5 Qe1+ Kh2 Bd6 Qe4 Qg3+ Kg1 Bxe5 Kf1 Rf8+ Qf5 Rxf5+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qd5+ Ke2 Bc3 a5 Qd2#

    What?

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #23

    Remellion

    Forced mate in 11, who'd have guessed. 2...Qe1+! Of course! Bah. Thanks for spoilering! [/sarcasm]

    In all honesty, this is a fun position to look at. The mating attack is quite engrossing, but easy to miss as a human. The puzzle is cooked, but quite frankly OTB I'd take the win via 1...Qxg2+ if I didn't see that hard-to-spot 3...Bd6.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #24

    GSHAPIROY

    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:

    But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


    No, but white can play 2.Rg5

    2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

    Okay, then how about 4. g3?



  • 15 months ago · Quote · #25

    BigDoggProblem

    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:

    But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


    No, but white can play 2.Rg5

    2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

    Okay, then how about 4. g3?

     



    4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #26

    GSHAPIROY

    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:

    But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


    No, but white can play 2.Rg5

    2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

    Okay, then how about 4. g3?

     



    4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

    And black does not get more than a whole rook

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #27

    BigDoggProblem

    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:

    But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


    No, but white can play 2.Rg5

    2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

    Okay, then how about 4. g3?

     



    4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

    And black does not get more than a whole rook

    Wrong - white's K is still in grave danger.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #28

    Remellion

    To be very nitpicky, actually 4...Qxh4+ 5. Kg1 Qe1+ 6. Kh2 and then 6...Qg3+ and 7...Bxe5 picks up an extra pawn. And the attack continues with Q+R+B v poor K+Q.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #29

    GSHAPIROY

    Remellion wrote:

    To be very nitpicky, actually 4...Qxh4+ 5. Kg1 Qe1+ 6. Kh2 and then 6...Qg3+ and 7...Bxe5 picks up an extra pawn. And the attack continues with Q+R+B v poor K+Q.

    But it's not as bad for black as 1random's line in post #23

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #30

    GSHAPIROY

    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    GSHAPIROY wrote:

    But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


    No, but white can play 2.Rg5

    2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

    Okay, then how about 4. g3?

     



    4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

    And black does not get more than a whole rook

    Wrong - white's K is still in grave danger.

    That line seems no better for black then winning a rook and losing a piece, he wins the exchange rather than a whole rook.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #31

    Remellion

    To be very clear, 1random/Houdini's line is the absolute best.

    And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. Like so.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #32

    GSHAPIROY

    And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. 


    I was imitating BigDoggProblem's line

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #33

    BigDoggProblem

    GSHAPIROY wrote:

    And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. 


    I was imitating BigDoggProblem's line

    Well, you didn't get the moves right.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #34

    GSHAPIROY

    Remellion wrote:

    To be very clear, 1random/Houdini's line is the absolute best.

    And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. Like so.

     

    Well then this:



  • 15 months ago · Quote · #35

    caveatcanis

    @GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #36

    GSHAPIROY

    caveatcanis wrote:
     

    @GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

    First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.

    Second, why did you title it 1/2 - 1/2?

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #37

    caveatcanis

    @GSHAPIROY First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.


    You're right - that's even better for Black.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #38

    GSHAPIROY

    caveatcanis wrote:

    @GSHAPIROY First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.


    You're right - that's even better for Black.

    Yes it certainly is

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #39

    GSHAPIROY

    caveatcanis wrote:
     

    @GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

    10. Kf1


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