Deductive giant killer

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19th May 2009, 12:55pm
#1
by WanderingWinder
United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 813

I blatantly ripped this one off from chessbase.com, where they said it stumped many Grandmasters, including the great Garry Kasparov. It's a very simple puzzle, which makes it all the more interesting. Here we go:

A game begins 1. e4 and ends in the 5th move with knight takes rook mate. What was the rest of the game?

This puzzle was killing me a few years ago, I couldn't find the answer on-line, and I couldn't figure it out. I assure you it is possible, it isn't a trick question; I eventually solved it quite randomly in the middle of taking a shower; go figure.

I ask that any answer submissions be in white so that if you're right, you won't spoil it for everyone else.

19th May 2009, 02:58pm
#2
by PurplePuppy
Vancouver Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 111

I couldn't find the solution, but I found one that ends in the 6th move with knight takes rook mate:

1. e4 f6 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nh4 Bf5 4. exf5 Kf7 5. Ng6 Qe8 6. Nxh8#

19th May 2009, 03:22pm
#3
by WanderingWinder
United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 813

That seems to be ok for a mate in 6 with NxR# (although I haven't really checked it). However, we're clearly looking for it to happen in the 5th move. I remember that I found oh, maybe half a dozen distinct mates in the sixth like this before finally getting the solution.

19th May 2009, 03:35pm
#4
by heavyop
Seattle United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 264
WanderingWinder wrote:

I ask that any answer submissions be in white so that if you're right, you won't spoil it for everyone else.


But what about the people with non-white backgrounds? :P

19th May 2009, 03:45pm
#5
by WanderingWinder
United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 813
heavyop wrote:
WanderingWinder wrote:

I ask that any answer submissions be in white so that if you're right, you won't spoil it for everyone else.


But what about the people with non-white backgrounds? :P


If you can figure out a way for it to be invisible to everybody, please suggest it. I'm just not seeing any better alternatives to white text, considering that most people do have white backgrounds

19th May 2009, 03:55pm
#6
by PurplePuppy
Vancouver Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 111
There are certain ways of forcing a white background, such as this post.
1. e4 Nf6 2. f3 Nxe4 3. Qe2 Ng3 4. Qxe7+ Qxe7+ 5. Kf2 Nxh1#

19th May 2009, 04:00pm
#7
by kosmeg
Lamia Greece
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 527

we could just pm u instead of writing with white letters in the forum.

19th May 2009, 05:19pm
#8
by WanderingWinder
United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 813

Or at this point you can just check against PurplePuppy, who got it right this time

 

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