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18th September 2009, 09:33pm
#1
by lastwarrior2010
Seattle, Washington United States
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From a 5min blitz game I played in school, very easy puzzle. It is amazing that this is a draw with so much material from black.

18th September 2009, 09:45pm
#2
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
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And then what happened...?

18th September 2009, 10:12pm
#3
by lastwarrior2010
Seattle, Washington United States
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he realized he couldn't make progress and offered a draw.

18th September 2009, 10:16pm
#4
by ADK
United States
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Did you accept? It says a draw was the result, but you could clearly win that one.

ADK

18th September 2009, 10:17pm
#5
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
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He shouldn't have.  It's a win (check it out on the Nalimov tablebase).

18th September 2009, 10:18pm
#6
by ADK
United States
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tonydal wrote:

He shouldn't have.  It's a win (check it out on the Nalimov tablebase).


Yeah, I know it's not a draw because White still has a moveable Bishop and there is absolutely NO way he could win so why would he accept the draw?

ADK

19th September 2009, 12:36pm
#7
by Ko7
Uzbekistan
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19th September 2009, 03:23pm
#8
by xie1995
Canada
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@komoliddin07,

6. Kh1 draws, why not?

19th September 2009, 05:10pm
#9
by Ko7
Uzbekistan
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yes, you are right, but there is stll second pawn

19th September 2009, 05:17pm
#10
by Krish30
Calgary Canada
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it is stikl.l a draw

19th September 2009, 05:17pm
#11
by RainbowRising
London United Kingdom
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thats some of the worst analysis...

you have to play the best moves for both sides, and you have to consider all options

19th September 2009, 05:17pm
#12
by Ko7
Uzbekistan
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may be

19th September 2009, 05:31pm
#13
by Krish30
Calgary Canada
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19th September 2009, 05:33pm
#14
by Ko7
Uzbekistan
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white can move around his bishop,see the blue one in the move list, I have edited it

19th September 2009, 05:35pm
#15
by Krish30
Calgary Canada
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still game over for white

19th September 2009, 05:36pm
#16
by Ko7
Uzbekistan
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yeah, black wins

19th September 2009, 05:44pm
#17
by CM ilmago
Germany
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The initial position is a win for black.

I would recommend to:

* leave the second pawn back on h6. One can advance this pawn to h5, but DO NOT advance this pawn to h4 anytime soon. There are positions which are a draw with rook vs bishop and a pawn on h4.

* play ...Kg4, ...h2 (Bxh2) and ...Kh3

* drive the king out of the corner with a maneuver such as

            ...Rh2+,

Kg1          R_attacks_bishop,

Bmoves     R_gives_check_on_first_rank.

this will black allow to make decisive progress and win this endgame.

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Note that interestingly, there are positions with R+pawn vs bishop which are a draw if the pawn is an a, c, f or h-pawn, if this pawn is too far advanced and if the bishop has "the wrong colour".

19th September 2009, 05:46pm
#18
by Krish30
Calgary Canada
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ilmago wrote:

The initial position is a win for black.

I would recommend to:

* leave the second pawn back on h6. One can advance this pawn to h5, but DO NOT advance this pawn to h4 anytime soon. There are positions which are a draw with rook vs bishop and a pawn on h4.

* play ...Kg4, ...h2 (Bxh2) and ...Kh3

* drive the king out of the corner with a maneuver such as

            ...Rh2+,

Kg1          R_attacks_bishop,

Bmoves     R_gives_check_on_first_rank.

this will black allow to make decisive progress and win this endgame.

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Note that interestingly, there are positions with R+pawn vs bishop which are a draw if the pawn is an a, c, f or h-pawn, if this pawn is too far advanced and if the bishop has "the wrong colour".


i will have to aggre with you

19th September 2009, 05:51pm
#19
by Ko7
Uzbekistan
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of course :)

thank you CM ilmago :)

19th September 2009, 06:04pm
#20
by CM ilmago
Germany
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Sorry, my first recommendation on how to make progress here gave a continuation that is a somewhat longer way to win than necessary here.

There is even a winning method with the king still in the corner, which is faster than what I had first been thinking of:

(It requires quite a bit of subtle maneuvering along the way)

 

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