Endgame Swindle

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5th July 2009, 01:32pm
#1
by woodencardboard
Missouri United States
Member Since: May 2008
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This is a pretty basic swindle I came up with in live chess. White's last move was Rxf7.

5th July 2009, 01:48pm
#2
by mosqutip
Hudson United States
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I don't get it. How is this a swindle?

5th July 2009, 01:54pm
#3
by razorblade12
Herefordshire United Kingdom
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Member Points: 805

Black is very behind at the start of the puzzle. At the end of the puzzle, white has no chance with black definitely promoting to a queen. White has gone from an "easy" victory to a no chance loss, making it a swindle (or clutching defeat from the jaws of victory :P)

5th July 2009, 01:57pm
#4
by woodencardboard
Missouri United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 239

Yep. I deliberately left the 'f' pawn hanging, to activate my king and get in front of the passed pawn. If he took the f pawn, it was a forced win. If he didn't...the point would've swung the other way, I'm sure.

5th July 2009, 02:08pm
#5
by mosqutip
Hudson United States
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razorblade12 wrote:

Black is very behind at the start of the puzzle. At the end of the puzzle, white has no chance with black definitely promoting to a queen. White has gone from an "easy" victory to a no chance loss, making it a swindle (or clutching defeat from the jaws of victory :P)


My point is, though, white never really had a chance (from where the puzzle begins, at least)

5th July 2009, 02:14pm
#6
by idosheepallnight
United States
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Member Points: 1715

Very nice. It was a swindle for sure.

5th July 2009, 02:24pm
#7
by WanderingWinder
United States
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I'm with mosqutip, it needs an extra move to be a swindle. At the start of the puzzle, black is already winning, despite his momentary material disadvantage.

5th July 2009, 08:05pm
#8
by woodencardboard
Missouri United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 239

I took a second look at it, and I suppose you're right. The real error came earlier in the game when he moved his rook away and it couldn't defend anymore. However, I think he probably had chances by sacing the rook for the passed pawn and using his four pawn queenside majority against my one. Taking the f pawn sealed the deal, though.

EDIT: thanks for all the comments, by the way.

5th July 2009, 08:21pm
#9
by WanderingWinder
United States
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Member Points: 838

The problem is that white doesn't actually have a way to sac the rook for the pawn (once again, that's after the puzzle starts). If he could, he would certainly have at least a draw, and at cursory glance, I'd think he'd probably win anyway.

5th July 2009, 08:39pm
#10
by woodencardboard
Missouri United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 239

I meant a move before. The rook was actually blockading the passed pawn a few moves earlier. Before the puzzle started, he had the oppurtunity to sac the rook and at least draw.

5th July 2009, 10:08pm
#11
by ArrowPawn
United States
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good puz

6th July 2009, 03:00am
#12
by FHansen
Kil Sweden
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Member Points: 342

I played something similar in a blitz game once: I dropped the bishop in a rook and bishop against rook and bishop endgame with equal pawns. I really thought I was losing so I used up my last coupple of minutes for a deep think and found out that if I forced the trade of the remaining rooks I had a forceed win against his bishop.

unfortunately this comeback against the one who would end up second in the tournament did not help my unfortunate score

6th July 2009, 03:14am
#13
by madstermind
Selangor Malaysia
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 84

After c3, why not Rc7? ...

*crickets chirp*

6th July 2009, 03:18am
#14
by FHansen
Kil Sweden
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then it is only to answer with Bc5 blocking the rook

6th July 2009, 03:26am
#15
by madstermind
Selangor Malaysia
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Yup yup, brain still not at 100%... thanks Hansen

6th July 2009, 07:08am
#16
by forkU
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
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Question:

Rc7, Bc5 to block, Rb7

Is my thinking incorrect?

6th July 2009, 07:51am
#17
by woodencardboard
Missouri United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 239

To forkU, it's in the move list. It loses to c2.

6th July 2009, 07:51am
#18
by FHansen
Kil Sweden
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forkU absolutely, but after Rb7 c2 still wins

6th July 2009, 08:32am
#19
by forkU
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
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Didn't look at the move list. Sorry about that.

1st August 2009, 06:57pm
#20
by jacklemmon77
kentucky United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 178

nice puzzle

 

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