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How did Tal win this?


  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1

    yeres30

    Position shown below is from the game Mikhail Tal v Florencio Campomanes.

                                                   White to move

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #2

    Greenwick

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #3

    Skwerly

    Rxd5?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #4

    rooperi

    I think Rxd5 loses after Qxb2 2Kd1 Qb1

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #5

    Remellion

    1. Rxd5? Qxb2+ 2. Kd1 Nc3+, or 2...Qb1+ (not mate) 3. Bc1 Nc3+ is the refutation.

    Instinct is telling me to move the h1-rook, so I'm guessing 1. Re1 pinning everything on the e-file. 1. Re1 Qxb2+ 2. Kd1 Qa1+ 3. Bc1 Nc3+? 4. Rxc3 threatens mate on e7; 1. Re1 Nxg5 2. Qxe5 Bxe5 3. Rxe5 and e7 is indefensible.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #6

    yeres30

    Remellion wrote:

    1. Rxd5? Qxb2+ 2. Kd1 Nc3+, or 2...Qb1+ (not mate) 3. Bc1 Nc3+ is the refutation.

    Instinct is telling me to move the h1-rook, so I'm guessing 1. Re1 pinning everything on the e-file. 1. Re1 Qxb2+ 2. Kd1 Qa1+ 3. Bc1 Nc3+? 4. Rxc3 threatens mate on e7; 1. Re1 Nxg5 2. Qxe5 Bxe5 3. Rxe5 and e7 is indefensible.



  • 11 months ago · Quote · #7

    Remellion

    *facepalm* ...aaaand allow me to refute myself. 1. Re1 Qxb2+ 2. Kd1 Qa1+ 3. Bc1 Bb2. Then I'm trying to make the defiant 4. Nd6+ and 5. Qf3 work, but it just looks bad. Back to the drawing board.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #8

    Greenwick

    New to this website..  You guys trying to figure it out on your own, or are you actually just looking for the answer?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #9

    Canutus

    The former.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #10

    Canutus

    1.Nxg7+ eliminates the threat of Qxb2 and Rxd5 can be played afterwards, or is that too simple ?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #11

    rooperi

    Canutus wrote:

    1.Nxg7+ eliminates the threat of Qxb2 and Rxd5 can be played afterwards, or is that too simple ?

    That\s what I thought. But it seems a little prosaic.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #12

    caveatcanis

    rooperi wrote:
    Canutus wrote:

    1.Nxg7+ eliminates the threat of Qxb2 and Rxd5 can be played afterwards, or is that too simple ?

    That\s what I thought. But it seems a little prosaic.

    Well, that line sacrifices the bishop on g5, so we still need to find the coup de grace after: 1. Nxg7+ Qxg7 2. Rxd5 Nxg5.

    I don't fancy Remellion's line.  Black can try  3..0-0-0 or 3... Bb2 rather than 3...Nc3+?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #13

    yeres30

    QuantummKnight wrote:
    caveatcanis wrote:
    rooperi wrote:
    Canutus wrote:

    1.Nxg7+ eliminates the threat of Qxb2 and Rxd5 can be played afterwards, or is that too simple ?

    That\s what I thought. But it seems a little prosaic.

    Well, that line sacrifices the bishop on g5, so we still need to find the coup de grace after: 1. Nxg7+ Qxg7 2. Rxd5 Nxg5.

    I don't fancy Remellion's line.  Black can try  3..0-0-0 or 3... Bb2 rather than 3...Nc3+?

    I for one really like the position after this line with Nxg7, or at least there are several options to consider:


    How does black respond to Rc1? (with the terrible threat Qb5+). Or the immediate Qb5+ followed by Qxb7 and c6 and advanced passalicious?

    The complete score of the game is in ==>(http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1061624)

    Tal won this game with 1.Nxg7+ Qxg7 2.Rxd5 Nxg5 and now 3.Qb5+ Kf7 (hoping to find refuge at g6) 4.Rf1+ Kg6 5.Qd3+ Kh5 6.Rh1 1-0

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #14

    caveatcanis

    @yeres That's the link for the Barcza-Ivkov  game from your endgame thread.

    The Tal-Campomanes game link is: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1139512

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #15

    yeres30

    caveatcanis wrote:

    @yeres That's the link for the Barcza-Ivkov  game from your endgame thread.

    The Tal-Campomanes game link is: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1139512

    Thanks for your rescue, caveatcanis. Indeed the link I gave was for the Barcza-Ivkov game.


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