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OK - what you just said about the Bf8 'disappearing beneath the line of pawns' - apply that same reasoning to white's Bishop.
Yes, even if some white knight took the black square bishop from beneath the white pawn structure, we would be at loss of one white piece to get the c7 pawn to h2 square. Sorry... just that it takes me a while to understand things lol
Don't worry about it - it's meant to take some time to solve, especially for people who have not seen many retrograde problems.
I have two of Raymond Smullyan's books of retrograde puzzles. I imagine omnipaul (who was quite a bit clearer in explaining the solution than I) had also seen similar stuff before.
Those are good intro books. I have read Holmes and I started Arabian Knights recently.
This is a very interesting concept of chess problems. Thank you for posting them here.
Would you happen to know any online source where I could find more of such problems?
The Retro Corner is a good starting point.
Thanks BigDoggProblem, you are cool!
Wow. Unexpected. I hadn't even thought of the captures.
of course both of them are - likely no way
Do you know how to read?? If you think the second one is possible, then why don't you post a game from the regular starting position (not 960) which reaches the position in diagram 2.
woowww. interesting puzzles! did u make these yourself?
tmkroll and omnipaul have it right. In the 2nd one, you need 6 black pawn captures on dark squares but you have only 5 white pieces that could have been sacrificed on dark squares. Position 2 is illegal.
Position 1 is legal because the doubled pawn is on a white square, which means you only need 5 dark-square captures.
I think this is the best summary! Well put, Mr. Dogg, and nice puzzle! =)
I did this one myself, although I knew of the idea from other retro puzzles.
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