# matein 3 - hard

• 2 years ago · Quote · #21

i don't think so...we understand the matter differently..for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it.

and i guess you did not able to solve it coz you suggested 1.Kb2?

• 2 years ago · Quote · #22
ktoredes wrote:

i don't think so...we understand the matter differently..for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it.

and i guess you did not able to solve it coz you suggested 1.Kb2?

What a strangely rigid definition of 'solve' - I guess once you make a mistake it is impossible to solve it, even when you give the correct key and all variations. :)

• 2 years ago · Quote · #23

.....and i guess bigdoggproblem had problem understanding what i posted.

what i said:

"for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it."

bigdoggproblem said:

I guess once you make a mistake it is impossible to solve it, even when you give the correct key and all variations. :)

I'm sad becoz he did not understand the line "precisely calculated all collateral variations".. How can you make a mistake if you are precise in your calculations huh???!!!!

• 2 years ago · Quote · #24

I put it into an engine. Analysis says "#-3 (Mate in 3)"All the suggested variations to get out of it fail.

• 2 years ago · Quote · #25
ktoredes wrote:

.....and i guess bigdoggproblem had problem understanding what i posted.

what i said:

"for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it."

bigdoggproblem said:

I guess once you make a mistake it is impossible to solve it, even when you give the correct key and all variations. :)

I'm sad becoz he did not understand the line "precisely calculated all collateral variations".. How can you make a mistake if you are precise in your calculations huh???!!!!

Looks like I will have to go a tad more slowly.

Let's start with: "give" and "calculate" don't mean the same thing. :)

• 2 years ago · Quote · #26

So you are saying that we are supposed to calculate ALL the possible moves to "solve" a puzzle ?

Example : mate in one.

You did not "solve" it if you didn't see the five mating moves, and the fact that 1.Qb3 draws, according to your definition.

• 2 years ago · Quote · #27

i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

• 2 years ago · Quote · #28
ktoredes wrote:

i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

• 2 years ago · Quote · #29
ktoredes wrote:

i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

Yikes...moving on...

• 2 years ago · Quote · #30
Irontiger wrote:
ktoredes wrote:

i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

- not #19, but your comment in #11 which suggests 1.Kb2??? which according to you can give mate more reliable..the key move you suggested is wrong, thus follows the variations as well.

• 2 years ago · Quote · #31
Sharrocks wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
ktoredes wrote:

i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

Her plan is to post a comment every one or two days so her topic comes in the "Most Recent Posts" section at different times of the day, hoping that she gets more viewers. Ignore it.

- well, honestly i dont have such plans in mind..i posted this puzzle to challenge evryone who viewed it if they can solve it,..and that is all. i dont consider it as an honor that this may be included every week as "most recent posts", i would rather prefer to achieve a higher rating by playing chess in this site to prove something- and that I call honor.

• 2 years ago · Quote · #32
ktoredes wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
ktoredes wrote:

i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

- not #19, but your comment in #11 which suggests 1.Kb2??? which according to you can give mate more reliable..the key move you suggested is wrong, thus follows the variations as well.

1-None gave the full lines in the same post, except Irontiger.

2-Irontiger got the puzzle wrong at first.

3-Thus, the puzzle is not solved.

Do you see a problem ? No ?

1-None has managed to create a fire, except Gronk the cavesman who put together the idea of silex from Hurk the stone carver and the idea of hitting from Durk the hunter.

2-Gronk the cavesman failed when he first tried clay instead of silex.

3-Thus, fire has not being invented yet.

Now I understand Sharrocks (#32) was true, and I will follow is advice. It was a pretty puzzle, but your trolling ruins it all.

• 2 years ago · Quote · #33

there were more variations in it..tnx for liking it.