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matein 3 - hard


  • 20 months ago · Quote · #21

    ktoredes

    i don't think so...we understand the matter differently..for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it.

     and i guess you did not able to solve it coz you suggested 1.Kb2?

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #22

    BigDoggProblem

    ktoredes wrote:

    i don't think so...we understand the matter differently..for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it.

     and i guess you did not able to solve it coz you suggested 1.Kb2?

    What a strangely rigid definition of 'solve' - I guess once you make a mistake it is impossible to solve it, even when you give the correct key and all variations. :)

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #23

    ktoredes

    .....and i guess bigdoggproblem had problem understanding what i posted.

    what i said:

             "for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it."

    bigdoggproblem said:

              I guess once you make a mistake it is impossible to solve it, even when you give the correct key and all variations. :)

    I'm sad becoz he did not understand the line "precisely calculated all collateral variations"..Frown How can you make a mistake if you are precise in your calculations huh???!!!!

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #24

    tliu1222

    I put it into an engine. Analysis says "#-3 (Mate in 3)"All the suggested variations to get out of it fail.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #25

    BigDoggProblem

    ktoredes wrote:

    .....and i guess bigdoggproblem had problem understanding what i posted.

    what i said:

             "for me, as a chessplayer, you can only say that you have solve it if you were able to see the key move and presicely calculated all collateral variations arising from it."

    bigdoggproblem said:

              I guess once you make a mistake it is impossible to solve it, even when you give the correct key and all variations. :)

    I'm sad becoz he did not understand the line "precisely calculated all collateral variations".. How can you make a mistake if you are precise in your calculations huh???!!!!

    Looks like I will have to go a tad more slowly.

    Let's start with: "give" and "calculate" don't mean the same thing. :)

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #26

    Irontiger

    So you are saying that we are supposed to calculate ALL the possible moves to "solve" a puzzle ?

    Example : mate in one.

    You did not "solve" it if you didn't see the five mating moves, and the fact that 1.Qb3 draws, according to your definition.

     

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #27

    ktoredes

    i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #28

    Irontiger

    ktoredes wrote:

    i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

    Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #29

    BigDoggProblem

    ktoredes wrote:

    i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

    Yikes...moving on...

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #30

    ktoredes

    Irontiger wrote:
    ktoredes wrote:

    i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

    Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

    - not #19, but your comment in #11 which suggests 1.Kb2??? which according to you can give mate more reliable..the key move you suggested is wrong, thus follows the variations as well.

     

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #31

    ktoredes

    Sharrocks wrote:
    Irontiger wrote:
    ktoredes wrote:

    i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

    Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

    Her plan is to post a comment every one or two days so her topic comes in the "Most Recent Posts" section at different times of the day, hoping that she gets more viewers. Ignore it.

    - well, honestly i dont have such plans in mind..i posted this puzzle to challenge evryone who viewed it if they can solve it,..and that is all. i dont consider it as an honor that this may be included every week as "most recent posts", i would rather prefer to achieve a higher rating by playing chess in this site to prove something- and that I call honor.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #32

    Irontiger

    ktoredes wrote:
    Irontiger wrote:
    ktoredes wrote:

    i guess you have to read and understand thoroughly what  i have posted.. what i meant "calculate all the colateral variations".. these are the variations you have to calculate after you have given the key move..in order to prove that you have comppletely solved a puzzle, you have to analyze all variations that would arise depending on black's reply..

    Which one, precisely, is not given in #19 ?

    - not #19, but your comment in #11 which suggests 1.Kb2??? which according to you can give mate more reliable..the key move you suggested is wrong, thus follows the variations as well.

     

    If I follow your reasoning :

    1-None gave the full lines in the same post, except Irontiger.

    2-Irontiger got the puzzle wrong at first.

    3-Thus, the puzzle is not solved.

    Do you see a problem ? No ?

    1-None has managed to create a fire, except Gronk the cavesman who put together the idea of silex from Hurk the stone carver and the idea of hitting from Durk the hunter.

    2-Gronk the cavesman failed when he first tried clay instead of silex.

    3-Thus, fire has not being invented yet.

     

    Now I understand Sharrocks (#32) was true, and I will follow is advice. It was a pretty puzzle, but your trolling ruins it all.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #33

    ktoredes

    there were more variations in it..tnx for liking it.

    Cool


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