Sam Loyd Mate in Three

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8th September 2009, 06:58pm
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by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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At a used bookstore today, I bought a February, 1933 "The Chess Review" magazine. It has a White Mates In Three Moves on the cover by renowned puzzle composer Sam Loyd . I nailed the puzzle in record time (I normally struggle a bit with puzzles -- they aren't my forte). Of course the magazine provides the solution in the next issue -- so I don't know if I've gotten it right. I'm pretty sure I have. Here's the puzzle with "my" solution (I could check my answer with a chess engine but what's the fun in that?) 

9th September 2009, 09:52am
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by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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bumpity bumpity bump -- somebody do my Sam Loyd mate in three, jeez!

9th September 2009, 12:01pm
#3
by jacklemmon77
kentucky United States
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nice

9th September 2009, 01:40pm
#4
by -waller-
Worcestershire England
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Yep, I had to look. Stunning solution, like so many of Loyd's. I remember there is one puzzle where Black queens with check,whilst white just marches his king into the centre of a crazy board and mates with one of something like five different discoveries.

9th September 2009, 04:42pm
#5
by sjonker
echuca Australia
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QtoH2 also works

9th September 2009, 04:55pm
#6
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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sjonker wrote:

QtoH2 also works


No, Loyd's far too good a puzzle maker to let a move that natural be the solution, and it isn't the solution:

1.Qh2 Ra2 and there's no mate in three...

9th September 2009, 05:42pm
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by sjonker
echuca Australia
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JG27Pyth wrote:
sjonker wrote:

QtoH2 also works


No, Loyd's far too good a puzzle maker to let a move that natural be the solution, and it isn't the solution:

1.Qh2 Ra2 and there's no mate in three...


 Qh1 followed by Kg3

9th September 2009, 05:54pm
#8
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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BigDaddy1515 wrote:

who would leave their queen? lame puzzle


BigD, you do understand that checkmating the opponent is better than having a queen, right?

(Ok, I don't actually care about the answer Wink ... )

10th September 2009, 01:31pm
#9
by -waller-
Worcestershire England
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Here's the puzzle I was talking about. Composed by Loyd, white to move and mate in three.

10th September 2009, 02:45pm
#10
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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-waller- wrote:

Here's the puzzle I was talking about. Composed by Loyd, white to move and mate in three.

 

 


Ok, that's psycho/amazing.

10th September 2009, 04:20pm
#11
by bobobobob101
Phoenix United States
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ownedWhite Mates In Three Moves

10th September 2009, 05:33pm
#12
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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Member Points: 1484
sjonker wrote:
JG27Pyth wrote:
sjonker wrote:

QtoH2 also works


No, Loyd's far too good a puzzle maker to let a move that natural be the solution, and it isn't the solution:

1.Qh2 Ra2 and there's no mate in three...


 Qh1 followed by Kg3


No that surely does not work for mate in three. 

1.Qh2 Ra2

2.Qh1 Rh2+

3.Qxh2 ... is a straightforward refutation, but more annoying and more delaying is:

1.Qh2 Ra2

2.Qh1 Rg2! ... and I'm not sure White can Mate in Three starting from here!

11th September 2009, 05:28am
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by sjonker
echuca Australia
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sjonker wrote:
Any rook
sjonker wrote:
JG27Pyth wrote:
sjonker wrote:

QtoH2 also works


No, Loyd's far too good a puzzle maker to let a move that natural be the solution, and it isn't the solution:

1.Qh2 Ra2 and there's no mate in three...


 Qh1 followed by Kg3


No that surely does not work for mate in three. 

1.Qh2 Ra2

2.Qh1 Rh2+

3.Qxh2 ... is a straightforward refutation, but more annoying and more delaying is:

1.Qh2 Ra2

2.Qh1 Rg2! ... and I'm not sure White can Mate in Three starting from here!

Any rook move is merely delaying the inevitable.   And you are right a queen checkmate takes more moves.    MO was only that the queen will getthe checkmate


11th September 2009, 06:19am
#14
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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9th October 2009, 07:33pm
#15
by mississauga99
Canada
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-waller- wrote:

Here's the puzzle I was talking about. Composed by Loyd, white to move and mate in three.

 

 


1 Ke2, f1=Q+

2 Ke3, and white loses after Bf4+

3 Rxf4, Rh3+ and white is doomed.

Isn't the winning line for white:

1 Bd3+, Kd4

2 Rf3+, Be5

3 Bxe5#

22nd November 2009, 10:33pm
#16
by michael93
Trelawny Jamaica
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white could have won in another way

23rd November 2009, 12:44am
#17
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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michael93 wrote:

white could have won in another way


So what's your solution. I don't think there's another.

23rd November 2009, 01:41am
#18
by asampedas
Klang Valley Malaysia
Member Since: Jun 2009
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-waller- wrote:

Here's the puzzle I was talking about. Composed by Loyd, white to move and mate in three.

 

 


That left me dizzy like a 'waller'. How did Loyd come up with that?! He must be a genius!

 

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