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18th February 2009, 07:11pm
#1
by Phil_from_Blayney
Blayney, NSW Australia
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 256

Here is a position from a recent game of mine. I was shocked when I put it through analysis by Rybka to find what I had considered a very reasonable and good move marked with ? and then even more shocked when I looked at the winning move suggested. For several minutes I thought that the whole program must have short circuited! Even now I am still trying to find the 'cook' for this suggestion, as I am unable to completely believe that this can be winning!

To begin with, I will give you the position and the hint that the obvious Rxe5 is wrong :)

Don't bother posting any garbage about it being easy, because unless you are a GM or similar you would have to be using an engine to think that this is easy.

I don't think I would have found and played this move if I had taken 3 months to look for it!!

Will give everyone a few days before I put up the engine analysis that should shock a few!

18th February 2009, 07:15pm
#2
by kungfoodchef
vigrinia United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 260

well whats the move  i cant find it

18th February 2009, 07:15pm
#3
by JPrican29
milwaukee United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 28

hmmm..Rf4 looks tasty maybe...lol

18th February 2009, 07:29pm
#4
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 753

Rg3 is also difficult to answer to, but are you saying Rxe5 is wrong?  It certainly seems to win.

18th February 2009, 07:35pm
#5
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 782

I'm thinking Rg3.

1. Rg3 threatens Qxg7 mate. I think black has to play 1. ... g6 (... Kf8 and white wins the rook.)

2. exg6 Rxg5 (if 2. ... fxg6 or 2. ... hxg6, then white will take the rook.)

3. gxf7+ Kf8

4. Rxg5 Ke7

Edit: 5. Rg8 is better than Rg7.

18th February 2009, 07:37pm
#6
by Semah
Wisconsin United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 45
pleasenotblitz123 wrote:

Qxg7+!!!


I agree with this guy.

18th February 2009, 07:48pm
#7
by EinsteinFan1879
St. Paul United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 280

Rg3 looks like it does little if black plays g6

18th February 2009, 07:51pm
#8
by mhtraylor
Mississippi United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 127

Rxe5 loses a pawn, but I can't figure out what the better move is.

18th February 2009, 07:55pm
#9
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 782

The difference between Rybka's choice and Rxe5 is that its choice offers a chance at a better game and at worst about the same as Rxe5.

18th February 2009, 07:58pm
#10
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 782
georgetownlaw wrote:
Sunshiny wrote:

I'm thinking Rg3.

1. Rg3 threatens Qxg7 mate. I think black has to play 1. ... g6 (... Kf8 and white wins the rook.)

2. exg6 Rxg5 (if 2. ... fxg6 or 2. ... hxg6, then white will take the rook.)

3. gxf7+ Kf8

4. Rxg5 Ke7

Edit: 5. Rg8 is better than Rg7.


More like

3.gxf7+ Kh8

4. Rxg5 Rf8


I think you may be right about that. I keep forgetting the black rook is in the queen spot so 3. ... Kh8 isn't as bad.

18th February 2009, 07:58pm
#11
by EminenceGrise
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 71

Qxg7

 

18th February 2009, 07:59pm
#12
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2277
georgetownlaw wrote:

Is rybka's answer c3?


 Why? That just loses a knight.

18th February 2009, 08:13pm
#13
by mhtraylor
Mississippi United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 127

I think Qxg7 is also a mistake:

18th February 2009, 08:14pm
#14
by arunchess
Lucknow, India India
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 104

Natural 1-Re5 may be bad due to 1---f6 and black ramains 1 pawn or 2 pawn up (as h4 is very weak) though white has attack. But what is winning ? First thing comes to mind is attack on g-file, secondly black Queen has little place to move.But I can not see any winning move.

18th February 2009, 08:18pm
#15
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 782

1. Rg3 g6

2. Qf6 looks like it could work.

EDIT: Or maybe not. 2. ... Re1 would nullify that.

I still think Rg3 has a lot of play though and may be the best choice.

18th February 2009, 08:32pm
#16
by BorgQueen
Adelaide Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 5321

Beats me.  I would have played Rxe5 too.

18th February 2009, 09:06pm
#17
by psilohead
South Dakota United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 67

Qxg7

18th February 2009, 09:07pm
#18
by Momadu
San Francisco United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 101

No cheaters here, just plug it in :-)

18th February 2009, 09:17pm
#19
by check2008
Central Illinois United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 794

What's wrong with Rf4? Does the black Queen have a flee square I'm not seeing?

Edit: Ah', ok. The Queen can't go anywhere, but nothing is stopping one of the 2 pawns from advancing a square.

18th February 2009, 10:23pm
#20
by Alai
Declined United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 11

Qxg7 doesn't make sense to me because white can earn more material by

1. Rxe5 f6

2. Qxg7+ Kxg7

3. Re7+ Kf8

4. Rxd7

Does anybody see a solid "winning move" because I'm at a loss.

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