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9th December 2007, 03:46am
#1
by Redserpent2000
Stockport United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 551

If you could go back in time where would you go and what would you do?

I think I would go back to see the pyramids being built. Just to see if they did do it or it was aliens who built them. Surprised

Red

9th December 2007, 04:31am
#2
by TalFan
Perth Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 770
I would go back 2000 years and chat with Jesus
9th December 2007, 06:10am
#3
by prisoner
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 16

i'd go back to where hitler was exactly born then i'll grab him from his mother's arms and i'll slit his throat and make sure he dies...

9th December 2007, 06:15am
#4
by Redserpent2000
Stockport United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 551
Selangor wrote: I would rather go to the future (Year 2150)

Why 2150? Don't you know we will all have been destroyed in 2012!"!!!!!!Cry

Red

9th December 2007, 06:39am
#5
by Sprite
Washington, D.C. area United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 406

I'd actually go back to Hitler's childhood to find out whether he was inherently evil from birth.  If he was, then I'd place him in some remote island in the Pacific.  If not, I'd let him have his nice childhood.

9th December 2007, 06:50am
#6
by itaibn
Toronto, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 371
I'd try to create a time paradox by killing my past self, for the sake of experiment. In fact, the person who is writing this does not currently exist. Please leave a message after the beep. BEEP!
9th December 2007, 07:05am
#7
by doctor-ice
bellingham,ma United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 242
go back in time to see what really killed off the dinosaurs.
9th December 2007, 07:46am
#8
by prisoner
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 16
JuliusH wrote: I don't know doctor-ice...would you want to be around when something kills off an entire species? Pack your first aid kit!

lol. nice one..

9th December 2007, 08:14am
#9
by kyuudou
Arkansas United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 136

I'm not entirely sure. The Hitler idea sounds good in principle, but he was really just the first person to take advantage of the situation. Those people were so desperate, they would've listened to and followed what anyone said as long as it seemed like it might've gotten them out of the poor situation they were in.

For example, I'd like to stop the inventor of guns, but then someone else would've stepped in their place and guns would still be around when I came back. Then I'd have to figure out who invented them this time and go back and stop them and the cycle would never end. This, of course, is all assuming time travel is possible, but you get my point.

9th December 2007, 09:08am
#10
by Knights_rule
Arizona United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 299
TalFan wrote: I would go back 2000 years and chat with Jesus

Good one, I'd like that too.

9th December 2007, 09:10am
#11
by Nalikill
Anytown United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 72
kyuudou wrote:

I'm not entirely sure. The Hitler idea sounds good in principle, but he was really just the first person to take advantage of the situation. Those people were so desperate, they would've listened to and followed what anyone said as long as it seemed like it might've gotten them out of the poor situation they were in.

For example, I'd like to stop the inventor of guns, but then someone else would've stepped in their place and guns would still be around when I came back. Then I'd have to figure out who invented them this time and go back and stop them and the cycle would never end. This, of course, is all assuming time travel is possible, but you get my point.


 Yeah. Something similar ALMOST happened in the United States in the 1930's, during the great depression. If any of you have head of Huey Long, he's the man who might've stood a chance at becoming a dictator over the U.S., if he could've unseated FDR in 1936- but he was assassinated before his campaign could go forward. If you haven't heard of him, look him up. It's a very interesting example of the differences between the US and European political systems, as well as societies, and in a few ways, the parallels.


9th December 2007, 09:52am
#12
by bigskh
Memphis United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 13
huey long was the fellow who coined the term ' every man a king' and he was known as the kingfish. very interesting time in louisiana politics
17th December 2007, 07:00am
#13
by Elwood
Senoia, GA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 117

I'm not sure you potential hitler killers get time travel, or the fact that that current events are dependant on past events.  Think of all the technology that came from WWII.  That war was the bridge from the dark ages of the industrial revolution to the modern world.  For example: jets, rockets, and radar.  Ok fine, I'd rather ride a train, and maybe we could do without satelite TV & satelite pictures on the internet, but these things shaped the modern world.  Our fictional time travel device may even be dependant on them in the sequence of technological progression.

What I find interesting is that if you go back in time and kill a bad person as they were born, you have just demonstrated the ability to practically and effectively change history.  If history can be changed, there is more that one potential future that can originate from any point in time.  Therefore any number of variables could change and said person turns out not-evil.  Now you have just murdered an innosent baby.  Good going.  Forget until innocent until proven guilty, it is now guilty because of your potential for guilt.  In that case someone needs to kill us all - we all have the potential to do evil.    

 

I would spend an afternoon with Archimedes.  Probably hang with Ben Franklin fow a while, and I would go to Socrates' trial.  I want to see if it really went down the way Plato put it. (I doubt it)

17th December 2007, 09:10am
#14
by Redserpent2000
Stockport United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 551
Elwood wrote:

What I find interesting is that if you go back in time and kill a bad person as they were born, you have just demonstrated the ability to practically and effectively change history.  If history can be changed, there is more that one potential future that can originate from any point in time.  Therefore any number of variables could change and said person turns out not-evil.  Now you have just murdered an innosent baby.  


Hi Elwood, whilst I agree with you that going back in time and killing someone would be a bad idea, your variable theory is incorrect. Lets say that we could go back in time and just look at what happens as,say, Hiltler grows up. We already know how things turned out. The fact that we observe, unobserved, makes no difference to the out come of his life. He does not grow up to become anything other than what he became. We know this from historic fact and time travel made no difference. So we  go back in time and kill him we could not be killing an innocent because we know how thing would have turned out had we not killed him.

If on the other hand your taking about the many worlds theory from QM then again we would not be killing an innocent because in our universe he grew up to become what he became. It may well be that in another universe he grew up to become a pacifist, we might never know.

Good choice on who you would like to meet.

Red

17th December 2007, 03:44pm
#15
by Elwood
Senoia, GA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 117

Thanks Red.

I'm not sure I agree about observing someone in history not changing the outcome.  Although not a expert on the theory, Jeff Goldblum seemed pretty convincing in Jurassic Park when he noted that by mearly observing something you change it.  I believe he sited the hizenberg uncertanity principle (possibly incorrectly).  That has more to do with electrons (probability distribution of location/velocity) than the macrophysical world, but it is impossible to disprove on any scale.  How do you know what you observed would not be different if you had not observed it ?

QM as I understand it relies heavilly on probability.  That means even if you did not change anything, did not observe anything; just rewind the universe 100 years and let it play back, you would get a different outcome.  Just like rolling dice. 

Of course QM is a thory, not a law.  Continuing this line of thought dumps you into the age old debate of destiny v. free will with QM taking sides.  I plan to stop before we get there.  That is more than I care to type in my lifetime (unless... in a different now from the same past, I can type with more than 3 fingers.) 

Cheers on the uberinteresting topic.   

17th December 2007, 04:01pm
#16
by wayne79
stoke ferry England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1063
id like to go back and see if hitler was a jew. his gran mother was! thats prob why he didnt like the jewish people?
18th December 2007, 04:53am
#17
by Redserpent2000
Stockport United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 551

I'd love to go back to 1947, the Roswell incident. Did an alien craft crashland on Earth or was it really a recon ballon?

Red

18th December 2007, 05:12am
#18
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2143

If I only get to go back once, I'd take care of my finances in lieu of gaining knowledge to mysteries I just don't care about.  I'd put a sizeable bit of money in Google at it's lowest purchase point.  Then, when I got back to the present day, I would close out my accounts and do whatever I'd want.

18th December 2007, 05:18am
#19
by xbigboy
Minnesota United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2873
Think, people! Think! If we changed all our bad stuff everone would be perfect, which would make everyone the same, and life would be as boring as watching a ripe apple rot. If we found out about all our questions, question wouldn't exist. We would know everyhting, therefore our only point of existence would be to make technology, which would lead to war, and we would kill each other. Does that sound good?
18th December 2007, 05:39am
#20
by Charlie91
International
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 859
Akiko wrote:

Try this portion of my blog -

http://gnabgib.blogspot.com/2005/07/is-time-travel-possible-honest-answer.html

 Fascinating blog you have there.  I remember Einstein's theories in college physics days, a long time ago.  The problem is we can't built spaceships that can travel very close to the speed of light.  And if we can build them, no man can withstand that kind of speed (the mass becomes large).

 Going back to the original topic, I think I'll go back before 1941 (before the bombing of Pearl Harbor) and talk to General Douglas McArthur (stationed in the Philippines) to warn him of Japan's intentions.  Perhaps more lives would have been saved.  Smile


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