the police was wrong to tase him, thats all.

I think John Stewart had it right when he said that it was a combination of overzealous police officers combined with student douche baggery.

tonightonly7 wrote: Samantha wrote: Are we to understand that this young man was tasered because he declined to put his arms behind his back and keep silent ?.

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 Sadly, yes. This is the way things work in our country.

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he should consider himself lucky, in a less democratic society,he could have had a lot worse...think about it,he was being too provocative.

Police force should not be used against somebody for voicing his political opinions, there are "other guys" for that job and they are always present at any events where political representatives etc are expected to gives speeches etc, these "other guys" in most cases won use force to remove somebody from such locations when needed, they are so good at doing so that many times most people don't even realize when they do it, most of the questions that are allowed towards inportant people in most cases have been pre-approved and the people who are supposed to ask the questions in most cases are pre-screened, so I find difficult to understand what happened with that kid or why the police force got into the situation, as far as i saw in the news that kid was not trying to attack anybody, there are certain situations for which the police force is not qualified one of these situations includes dealing with situations involving interaction between the press and politicians etc, those situations are very delicate and there is always a more qualified force than the police may be for those cases, publicly taking a mic from somebody in US whatever the situation IS a very delicate thing to do, and to take a mic away from a student makes the situation even worse, not to even mention the tasering thing, in my opinion I think the police got their noses in the situation without the authorization of the "bigger dogs" 

Finally saw the tape and can say that not only did this guy provke the ploice into the situation but he made good and sure that his buddy had the camera rolling.

 

I think it was stage with intentions beyond the Kerry question. They had shirts for sale in less then 24hrs!! 

greersome wrote: I think John Stewart had it right when he said that it was a combination of overzealous police officers combined with student douche baggery.

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I could not agree more.

"Someone said "Freedom of speech isnt a trump card you can play anywhere and at any time you like." And... that is exactly what you CAN do with freedom of speech... you can say what you want, whenever you want about any topic that you desire.  If your speach injures, discredits unfairly or slander somebody, then you have the right to be sued by the other person... not be tasered!"

 

No, no and no. Saying that freedom of speech allows you to say whatever you want anywhere you want only shows how people don't understand this notion. 

DeepNf3 wrote:most of the questions that are allowed towards inportant people in most cases have been pre-approved and the people who are supposed to ask the questions in most cases are pre-screened, so I find difficult to understand what happened with that kid or why the police force got into the situation

in my opinion I think the police got their noses in the situation without the authorization of the "bigger dogs" 

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You need to do some homework on this particular case. (1) The kid's questions were not preapproved. (2) The kid ran to the front of the line instead of waiting his turn to ask a question. (3) He asked multiple questions (audience members were only allowed to ask one), and then refused to stop talking until they turned off the mic.

 

All the police were trying to do was escort the young lad out of the building. Things got out of hand only when he became hostile.

 

Also, I don't know what you're talking about when you say "bigger dogs", but the police were the only ones present to keep order. There was no Secret Service to protect Sen. Kerry, which brings up another point that everybody here is forgetting. Nobody knew if the kid was armed, or if he had intentions of harming the Senator. What if he had pulled out a gun and taken shots at Kerry and the crowd? (Virginia Tech anybody?) My guess is that all of the critics of the police would be saying, "My god! Why didn't the %!@#%!$ police do something about that guy right away?!?"

King_William wrote:Ah get a grip are you yourself an over weight police person or the dependant of one?

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Thank you for raising the level of public discourse here.

Yes, but I am mature enough to handle it.

 

Take care, and have a good day. 

King_William wrote:

Your predisposition to condone the wrong-doings of the justice enforcers are then accurately identified?

 

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No, but something else is.

  I was not there, but only  saw  what  was  on the  telivision,i  agree that  if  enough  officers  were there  to  control  him,  the  taser  wouldn't have  been  warranted, however  we  were not there  and  do not know  the  degree of  resistance he  made  to the  arrest  (whether, punching, kicking, biting  the officer,  we  can  all second  guess,  but  the  court  judge  the  use of  force on

what  a reasonable  person  would have  done  under  the same set of circumstances, i  for one(even though we  didn't have  tasers in  our  police department) do  advocate  their  use  as  a step up the ladder of  force, rather then  resorting to  lethal force,  the  officer has to be trained  in  it  usage, how as well as  in  what  circumstances. THE  COURTS  NOW  REQUIRE  EACH OFFICER  UNPON  USING  FORCE  DURING  AN  ARREST,  TO  FILL OUT  A  REPORT  THAST IS FILED WITH  THE STATE(AT  LEAST  THAT IS SO  IN  NEW JERSEY.   ANOTHER  OFFICER MIGHT HAVE  HANDLED IT  DIFFERENTLY.

THIS IS ONLY  MY OPINION, HOWEVER IT DOESN'T COUNT IN THIS  SITUATION

 

                                                                               Tony

You know what I find funny? This idiot puts himself in direct conflict on purpose and when the situation explodes there are droves of people that are defending him. I don't care what the police did, the initial cause and effect was in direct proportion to what this moron started. He brought it on himself, plain and simple. Even if the police were to harsh, SO WHAT? If the tased didn't cause the trouble he wouldn't have been tasered.

He wasn't tasered for making a comment. He was tasered because he jerked away from the police. Were he from a different--let's just say--socioeconomic stratum, they might well have put a bullet, or 20, in his head. You can't fight with the police. If you believe that they have no right to arrest you, then you get lawyered-up and duke it out in court. On the street, the badge is holding all of the cards. And, only someone from a privileged background, and possessed of an inordinate sense of entitlement, would imagine otherwise.

King_William wrote: hooperxxx wrote: ... And, only someone from a privileged background(???), and possessed of an inordinate sense of entitlement, would imagine otherwise.

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Please elaborate.

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 No.

King_William wrote:

The right to freedom of speech you will only value once you lose it, ChessDweep.

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 Amen, brother.

I was in the military for 12 years and I understand full well what I was protecting. If I were protecting morons rights to be morons it's a sad day in America. We can say whatever we feel like. I don't care what he said, I don't care who he said it about and I don't care how he said it. It was what he DID that I will not defend. He did not obey the commands of a law officer. Right, wrong or indifferent. For any social system there must be order and authority first in which nobody should be above the law, no matter how insignificant that law may seem. He broke the law and caused a disturbance and brought the consequences upon himself. This isn't about free speech. That's just what this guy would like all of you SHEEP to believe and you are falling for it. Open up your eyes. He's playing all of you that support his actions.

I haven't been 12 years in the military and I completly agree with him. Find another sophism to try discredit him. And I know many people who claim they are not conformists, but often these people ARE conformists, there are different ideals one can conform to. I'm not saying you are a sheep, I'm just saying that you claiming you are not a conformist doesn't mean heck to me as I've sen more examples of people who claimed or thought not to be conformist, but actually were or were just deluding themselves with trivialities.

 "The issue here is not him resisting arrest, its the fact that his mic were shut down when he were asking questions someone didn't approve of. This point were mention several time in this thread, how you missed it, I don't know...."

 

And I think it was already mentionned several times the reasons why the mic was shut. Because of the kid's behavior, and the fact that he was just ranting without letting Kerry answer anything and was getting irrespectuous, was breaking about every rule and was getting very excited. A policeman asked politely for him to ask his question and cut the crap. Why do you say he was dragged of because someone didn't like the question? Who didn't lke the question? The policemen? Unless Kerry had a little buzz in his pocket to call the police? Is this what you're claiming?

 

If I go to a funeral of someone close to you and start making trouble using my "freedom of speech", you can't drag me out or shut me up then, is it?  How's that for freedom of speech?

Very long discussion; I'll dip my finger here...  Freedom (of speech, expression, etc.) is not License.  There are limits to freedom (dictated my many things, including the local custom).  Etienne is right on the dot.  In addition, law enforcers should be wary that taser guns give several volts of electricity, and if the volts come at the wrong time, the heart may stop--intant heart attack!  It should be reserved for very serious situations...

King_William wrote:

And lastly Etienne I'll probably drag you out and shut you up at any one of the parties I host, let alone a funeral of someone close to me.

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Looks like you just proved his point for him...

 

Oopsie!  

 

 

 

(BTW, we can send the Taser Kid over to South Africa to work for you, if you want. Maybe you can turn him around.)

J/K, of course.