What's your take on the Florida student tasered at a John Kerry speech this week?

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18th September 2007, 10:41pm
#1
by greersome
Chicago, IL United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 195

I couldn't believe the video on Youtube when I saw it. 

After waiting to ask his question, Andrew Meyer was given the mike and began a diatribe of comments directed at Kerry ending with a question of whether or not Kerry was in the Skull and Bones secret society.  After spending 1 minute and 37 seconds to make his point, Andrew Meyer's mike was cut and police immediately attempted to grab him and arrest him.

What is this?  What has our country become?  You ask an elected official in a public forum an inconvenient question or use the wrong tone of voice and you are arrested, cuffed, tasered, and jailed.


18th September 2007, 10:59pm
#2
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10182

:) funny how people can see things so differently!

i saw a stupid kid who was stepping outside the bounds of the allowed activity - not because of the skull/bones question, but because that is a forum where you are able to politely ask ONE question to a politician, not grandstand your own political speech.  

i saw a stupid kid who didn't respect the request to step down and was rude to police.

i saw a stupid kid who didn't put his arms behind his back when told to.

i saw a stupid kid who didn't comply and got the consequences. 

i didn't see this as anything having to do with the question, i saw it as an issue where an immature kid was trying to run roughshod over the norms, rules, and requests of authority.

had he not taken advantage of the mic, not shouted rudely at the police, complied when asked to leave, or not tried to escape from the police he would have avoided the problem. he just made bad decision after bad decision. 

 


18th September 2007, 11:34pm
#3
by greersome
Chicago, IL United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 195

I agree he was rude, I agree he was obnoxious.  Last time I checked, that wasn't against the law and definitely wasn't grounds for arrest and of all things, it was no reason for tasering.

 

If you watch it closely, he asks his question, they cut the mike, he steps away from the mic and the police grab him immediately.  There is no warning.  After one and a half minutes of speaking, he is arrested.

 

The whole thing makes me ill. 


19th September 2007, 12:03am
#4
by Samantha
England United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 82
Are we to understand that this young man was tasered because he declined to put his arms behind his back and keep silent ?.
19th September 2007, 12:19am
#5
by greersome
Chicago, IL United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 195
With like nine cops on him holding him down, he was tasered.
19th September 2007, 12:20am
#6
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10182
greersome wrote:

I agree he was rude, I agree he was obnoxious.  Last time I checked, that wasn't against the law and definitely wasn't grounds for arrest and of all things, it was no reason for tasering.


 that is true. but resisting the police is always grounds for arrest. you may not agree with what the police ask you to do, but if you don't do it, you will be forced to. 

i hope our differening opinions on this don't upset you :) 


19th September 2007, 01:02am
#7
by greersome
Chicago, IL United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 195

Ah... Eric...  Differing opinions will never shake our friendship!!  I'm always happy to engage in a conversation with you about these things.  You have a good head on your shoulders and you know how to hold a conversation as well.  Smile

Your point is taken about resisting arrest, however, the point is that he never should have been arrested for speaking his mind.  Moreover, the people in that auditorium (esp. Kerry) should have had the guts to stand up for what is right and demanded they leave him alone.


19th September 2007, 01:15am
#8
by oscar1955
Windsor,ont. Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 342

what were the charges ? what was he arrested for?

                                    


19th September 2007, 01:24am
#9
by Samantha
England United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 82

According to Faux News, he was charged with " resisting an officer and disturbing the peace".

 


19th September 2007, 01:49am
#10
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1521
Samantha wrote: Are we to understand that this young man was tasered because he declined to put his arms behind his back and keep silent ?.

 Sadly, yes. This is the way things work in our country.


19th September 2007, 01:50am
#11
by greersome
Chicago, IL United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 195

Again, when was being disrespectful, juvenile, or cocky to an elected official grounds for arrest?  I thought we fought for our independence so we would never have to be afraid of offending our leaders, so we would be able to speak our mind.

 

Sure the whole conspiracy theory was juvenile, but again, he raised an interesting question and was arrested for it.  Watch the video on youtube and decide for yourself.

 

BTW, the idea to impeach Bush isn't juvenile at all, imho.  After Clinton's impeachment, we all know how low the bar is set for impeachment. 


19th September 2007, 02:49am
#12
by ChessDweeb
Roaring Loins United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 836

I agree with Eric. Everywhere you go there are certain customs, courtesies and rules. You shouldn't talk on cell phones in the movie theater, but rude people do. They should be tasered. People that drive like maniacs and cut in and out of traffic dangerously should be tasered. People that move to the front of the line should definitely be tasered. All joking aside, if you are invited to a function, such as this young man went to, there were rules he should have followed. If I would have been there in real life I may have felt threatened by his agressive and out of order actions. The police are there to keep order and maintain safety. I think that this guy encroached far enough into the grey area to be subdued and escorted out of the area.  By the way, as Erik pointed, the guy made one stupid choice after the other.


19th September 2007, 03:16am
#13
by e-check
Great Britain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 208
Well said greersome. It's comforting to know there are still people in the States who aren't entirely brainwashed... ;-)
19th September 2007, 03:25am
#14
by Knatted
Gibsons BC Canada
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 1733

Four dead in Ohio

 

He should feel dam lucky he only got tasered!!

 

(;


19th September 2007, 04:05am
#15
by Sprite
Washington, D.C. area United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 406

Maybe they were just removing him from the location...

And in the end, the moment you resist arrest, you're toast....regardless whether your guilty or not.  And he was resisting it, even with multiple cops holding him down.


19th September 2007, 04:18am
#16
by e-check
Great Britain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 208

No, by struggling he was saying in not so many words, "look guys, this is crazy, surely you're not actually arresting me...", but before he was able to fully appreciate the reality of the situation, bang, it was too late. I mean if I was aggressively man-handled by some random people wearing uniforms for something essentially trivial, yeah, I'd probably struggle too.

 

All they had to do was escort him out the building. They didn't have to physically assault him and use a weapon on him. When society starts thinking this is ok and normal and such actions "protect" us, we're all in trouble. My 2 cents'.


19th September 2007, 04:21am
#17
by Knatted
Gibsons BC Canada
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 1733
Sprite wrote And in the end, the moment you resist arrest, you're toast....regardless whether your guilty or not. 

Very true, in any country for that matter..


19th September 2007, 04:36am
#18
by jtun23
Wirral England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 244
New World Order and The Illuminati are coming.  2012 is meant to be an important date for the above, its an interesting topic to look up on youtube or wherever...make of it what you will.
19th September 2007, 05:05am
#19
by e-check
Great Britain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 208
jtun23 wrote: New World Order and The Illuminati are coming.  2012 is meant to be an important date for the above, its an interesting topic to look up on youtube or wherever...make of it what you will.

ok, this is just getting silly. 2012 is only an important date because it's when Britain are going to clean up at the glorious London Olympics. Especially in the rowing. Why isn't chess an Olympic sport for that matter??


19th September 2007, 05:09am
#20
by jtun23
Wirral England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 244
e-check wrote: jtun23 wrote: New World Order and The Illuminati are coming.  2012 is meant to be an important date for the above, its an interesting topic to look up on youtube or wherever...make of it what you will.

ok, this is just getting silly. 2012 is only an important date because it's when Britain are going to clean up at the glorious London Olympics. Especially in the rowing. Why isn't chess an Olympic sport for that matter??


 well if you believe that we are going to clean up in the olympics then you are as disillusioned as somebody who doesn't believe in New World Order...oh you are!


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