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Chess and Life Relations


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    manavendra

    I learn't playing Chess when I was 8, but i played only for short span, with intermittant gaps of many years. Only recently, I have become a Chessholic. I mean Chess and Life, intermixed so beautifully by interpolating the Chess rules, strategies, tacts, positions, ranks, files, etc.

    I have come up with one, would be interesting theory. Life is made of people, same as Chess is made of Chessmen. Like in Life relationships between different people, same are relationships between Chessmen on the Chess Board. Now, if you were to pick any "one" Chessman, which piece would you choose. I know, this question maybe debatable, but I strongly vote that most of us would choose the "King".

    Taking the popular assumption of the "King" being the chosen piece in all further interpolations of the Chess relationships, how is the King related to the other Chessmen? Lets, also take the common man in Life, he is a father, a brother, a friend, a family man, a team player, etc., almost exponentially large number of relationships. Taking all the strongest relationships, I want to discuss the following Chess and Life relations.

    Okay, now as a King, what is your relationship with your Queen, extrapolating from both Chess and Life, she can be your wife, or maybe your girlfriend? What about the rook, lets take him as your big bother, and the Bishop as your younger brother, including friends. Also, taking into account, the distribution of men and women in Life, I further extrapolate to take Kinght as your sister, under the rule of Chess Board being divided into two equal halves, King's Side and Queen's side. So, same relations also exist on the Queen's side viz, queen side's rook and bishop being her elder and younger brother respectively, and queen side knight being her sister.

    All these being taken into account, lets interpolate the sacrificial nature of Chess and Life. Would you sacrifice your Queen if she is your wife or girlfriend, depending on how you interpolate? How would you relate to Rook, would you give him a opportunity to castle? How would you relate to Kinght, protecting her or maybe strategic relationship, oftens requires good team play, as is in most of the cases.

    Most of the top-rated players play very protective and closely-guarded games most of the time, piece for piece, well balanced manner. Why is that early level sacrifice of any piece or any Life's relation is considered a risky choice? How can we quantify the King's decision to gambit or not?

    I would further add the pawns, a very important piece in Chess, and we all know who are they?

    Children

    A pawn can be promoted to any rank of his Choice!!

    Such a theory might seem non-existant for there are very large extrapolations taken, but these will provide vital statistics for the improvement of Artificial Intelligence, SETI, and many other projects in progress, about understanding the Nature of Life, the source of (Artificial) Intelligence!!

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    -X-

    Deep.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    FlowerFlowers

    I once played with dolls and a doll house but now I play chess.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #4

    FlowerFlowers

    Before I learned what bishops and knights were, I always felt the bishop was female and that the knight was a horse.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #5

    manavendra

    You can take any relationship with other Chessmen of your choice, but in all aspect You and King should have strong correlation about relations.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #6

    GeorgianMan

    Thank you Manavendra. Amazing article! This story is really near to our(people) life, you've done a very good job!

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #7

    trysts

    -GEO- wrote:

    Thank you Manavendra. Amazing article! This story is really near to our(people) life, you've done a very good job!


    Really? Did you read the closing remarks:

    "Such a theory might seem non-existant for there are very large extrapolations taken, but these will provide vital statistics for the improvement of Artificial Intelligence, SETI, and many other projects in progress, about understanding the Nature of Life, the source of (Artificial) Intelligence!!"

    This makes sense to you? I've read it 3 times, and can't figure out the point.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #8

    manavendra

    trysts wrote:
    -GEO- wrote:

    Thank you Manavendra. Amazing article! This story is really near to our(people) life, you've done a very good job!


    Really? Did you read the closing remarks:

    "Such a theory might seem non-existant for there are very large extrapolations taken, but these will provide vital statistics for the improvement of Artificial Intelligence, SETI, and many other projects in progress, about understanding the Nature of Life, the source of (Artificial) Intelligence!!"

    This makes sense to you? I've read it 3 times, and can't figure out the point.


    Chess Engines can do more than just playing Chess, like finding order in chaos, an example. Analyzing deeply, all entities in this Universe are in varied number of Mathematical relationships with eachother, perhaps in a more complicated way of relationship than of Chessmen. With such theories, I, and most people involved in AI Development, intend to map the trigger points and parameters of the complex Mathematical relationships, from all available sets of human provided data.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #9

    theoreticalboy

    Chess is inapplicable to real life, except for fat lazy arses who sit around and make everyone else do work for them.

    Plus, there are siblings I'd gladly sacrifice, whatever the position.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #10

    trysts

    I would go through your pretentious claims point by point, but that would entail you having some point other than 'reducing' human endeavor to mathematical calculations. But, you don't. The "mathematical relationships", that are "perhaps more complicated...than...chessmen", are clearly a spatial relationship only. To vomit some psuedo-profound manifestation beyond that is just silly.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #11

    GeorgianMan

    manavendra wrote:
    trysts wrote:
    -GEO- wrote:

    Thank you Manavendra. Amazing article! This story is really near to our(people) life, you've done a very good job!


    Really? Did you read the closing remarks:

    "Such a theory might seem non-existant for there are very large extrapolations taken, but these will provide vital statistics for the improvement of Artificial Intelligence, SETI, and many other projects in progress, about understanding the Nature of Life, the source of (Artificial) Intelligence!!"

    This makes sense to you? I've read it 3 times, and can't figure out the point.


    Chess Engines can do more than just playing Chess, like finding order in chaos, an example. Analyzing deeply, all entities in this Universe are in varied number of Mathematical relationships with eachother, perhaps in a more complicated way of relationship than of Chessmen. With such theories, I, and most people involved in AI Development, intend to map the trigger points and parameters of the complex Mathematical relationships, from all available sets of human provided data.


     Yes, read it, but it is difficult to realize and understand the main point of that part of the article :).

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #12

    MyCowsCanFly

    The King is an invalid. He can barely get around. The other pieces have to keep his ass from getting checkmated. Pawns don't get promoted to Kings.

    You could do as well projecting with some ink blots. It relates more closely to your imposition of order on chaos than the chess analogy.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #13

    manavendra

    trysts wrote:

    I would go through your pretentious claims point by point, but that would entail you having some point other than 'reducing' human endeavor to mathematical calculations. But, you don't. The "mathematical relationships", that are "perhaps more complicated...than...chessmen", are clearly a spatial relationship only. To vomit some psuedo-profound manifestation beyond that is just silly.


    How can you rely on spatial relationship only. Most people have difficulty seeing beyond the known 3-dimensions. For advanced theories, take many more abstract dimensions into consideration for a unifying approach, as many as 14 dimensions in mathematical models of the Universe.

    This concept is hard to name, for there are no names, but just numbers like 4th dimension, 5th dimension, etc. You may try to name some, like "Time" as the 4th dimension, etc but beyond 4th dimension, number of relationships become too abstract and exponentially large to analyze correctly, taking millions of years on a full throttle supercomputer.

    Hence, instead of relying just on pure brute force, it's easier to take known visible World's model of Life, and fine tune the unifying lines of approach.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #14

    MyCowsCanFly

    RDR75 wrote:

    Deep.


     I'm looking for a shovel.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #15

    manavendra

    MyCowsCanFly wrote:

    The King is an invalid. He can barely get around. The other pieces have to keep his ass from getting checkmated. Pawns don't get promoted to Kings.

    You could do as well projecting with some ink blots. It relates more closely to your imposition of order on chaos than the chess analogy.


    Stages of King's Life:

    Opening Game: Childhood

    Middle Game: Adulthood

    Endgame: Old age

    Mate: Death

    So, how can you say the King is an invalid, for this theory about relationship between Chess and Life. Also, chess ends the moment King is checkmated, irrespective of other Chessmen present on the board, so King is the only Valid choice. Life of every human being is unique, hence pawns cannot be promoted as King to super-impose on other's life, unless you believe in reincarnation ;)

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #16

    trysts

    manavendra wrote:
    trysts wrote:

    I would go through your pretentious claims point by point, but that would entail you having some point other than 'reducing' human endeavor to mathematical calculations. But, you don't. The "mathematical relationships", that are "perhaps more complicated...than...chessmen", are clearly a spatial relationship only. To vomit some psuedo-profound manifestation beyond that is just silly.


    How can you rely on spatial relationship only. Most people have difficulty seeing beyond the known 3-dimensions. For advanced theories, take many more abstract dimensions into consideration for a unifying approach, as many as 14 dimensions in mathematical models of the Universe.

    This concept is hard to name, for there are no names, but just numbers like 4th dimension, 5th dimension, etc. You may try to name some, like "Time" as the 4th dimension, etc but beyond 4th dimension, number of relationships become too abstract and exponentially large to analyze correctly, taking millions of years on a full throttle supercomputer.

    Hence, instead of relying just on pure brute force, it's easier to take known visible World's model of Life, and fine tune the unifying lines of approach.


    "How can you rely on spatial relationship only." I'm not the one 'computing' the relationships, you are. Not only do you use the fake paradigm "artificial intelligence" leading people to believe that you can recreate human interaction with bloody computers, which is absurd, but even better, there can be some assimilated prototype of the human mind via mathematical computation integrated within hardware, which is as deep as a puddle, but you, in your obtuse chess/family relations metaphor above, is your implied paradigm for this!Laughing

    If you're one of those peeps that has gone off the deep end, with your computer-centric thinking, maybe you should make sure that you're not the one lowering your own dynamic as a human being to fit your love of the computer.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #17

    FlowerFlowers

    Mycows ... sure the queen is an amazing warrior but the king is the mastermind  (many a genius lack physical prowess), the boss, everyone serves him and the enemy wants to replace him.  The other pieces can be admired for their ability in battle, but the king is desired.  A good question is it better to be (would you rather be) desired or admired. 

    Mana .. I know you said you relate the pieces to real life but I'm still thinking of them as toys.. dolls .. a pretend kingdom.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #18

    FlowerFlowers

    ...mate is not death .. it is homicide.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #19

    MyCowsCanFly

    Stages of a Kings life:

    (a) opening - King doesn't move.

    (b) middle game - King doesn't move

    (c) end game - King becomes active only because there's no one left to do anything. He moves one square at a time? That sounds like an invalid. Even the drunken knights move better.

    This presumes no Bongcloud. If everyone wants to be King, better tell the pawns. The can't be promoted to King.

    I can't believe I've responded to the specifics...oh well.

    The main idea is that the analogy between chess and life isn't very deep. It's the same process people use in imposing order on ink blots.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #20

    FlowerFlowers

    lol ... drunken knights


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