DO YOU BELIEVED THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD IN MATH ARE ALSO GOOD IN CHESS?

im agree with that mandel! i am also a mathemathician.. and believed it or not  i reach the ratings of 2000 without reading books..in just 6 months of playing here in chess .com! And you here the games of damath? when i was a kid i was a damath champion.. damath is also a board games that having a 12 pieces each opponent and each pieces has a equivalent number.. and every square has a process need to solved when you captured the pieces. just like addition,subtraction , multiply or division. it is also a lot of strategy to win the game..

i think the best way you to do is to read a books of chess and math and try to understand .. start with the basic and solve every problem has given.. and im sure slowly u will be get to improve..otherwise rent a tuthor and a coach..

I find, that the more i study and practice math, i usually will find openings and not make nearly as much mistakes. The difference is, in math there is no "well, they could counter with that, so mabye that move is better...", everything is either "yes" or "no".

i have always been horrible in math, but i like chess, horrible at it too, but never liked math!! I end up taking, swapping too many pieces to "clear" the board up, so less confusing! How do i overcome this approach?! please don't tell me i got to do maths! Playing chess i do not mind..........

No, I do not believe that people who are good in math are also good in Chess.

In using math, we use quantities and rules for manipulating those quantities to draw a relationship or to find a result.  In playing chess, we have pieces and we have definite rules for manipulating those pieces as we attempt to accomplish the game's objective which, if it should be realized, can be realized by one and only one side.

In any case, I'm better at math than chess, something you already know if you ever played me.

no it is not true that being good in mathematics guarantees good chess playing.  Just being good in math could simply mean that one is strong in memorization. But beyond the opening, chess is not a game of memorization.  It is a game of creativity, and that alone.  So math and chess are not completely related.

As I have studied philosophy as well as advanced math, 3 years at the university  of Montreal  Québec in Canada, and can only tell you that chess is a combination of both logic and creativity.

There is one element that all great players do have and it is the combativity, the skill to explore and to constantly put the opponent under attack so he makes a wrong move, not necessarily a mistake, but puts himself in an awkward position that a good player can exploit.

So how do you play chessÉ

It's up to you to find your style, some are offensive others are defensive.

In the end the creativity combined with the calculation skill or the logic is the ultimate weapon.

vermeer1 wrote:

I am not a very good chess player nor mathematician but would like to get better in both, any suggestions on how to start understanding more math by yourself

 I do have a suggestion for you.

You should review the basic maths you have learned, as I do not suspect but do know that you did not understand them, and try to understand.

If you can not understand do send me a message, I am 60 years old and 6 years ago I teached math, calculus and statiscal analysis to my daughter and some of her friends, she was attending Bishop University in Lennoxville, Sherbrooke Quebec, and all of this  because she did not understand what the professor was saying. Well she did very well as she completed both her course with 97% in calculus, equallying my mark, and 92% in stats. she gruaduated with a BBA. Bachelor in business administration, good for her.

You are missing something in math and I am not sure at all that I know it, if you tell me what it is then I guarantee that I can help you, 100%.

Read my other post on this page on math and memorization .

shuttlechess92 wrote:

no it is not true that being good in mathematics guarantees good chess playing.  Just being good in math could simply mean that one is strong in memorization. But beyond the opening, chess is not a game of memorization.  It is a game of creativity, and that alone.  So math and chess are not completely related.

 I have studied math all of my life and to this day, having attended 3 years at the university specialization math and pohysic I ca tell you that memorization is simply out of the question.

In calculus for instance, forgetting about vector analysis and the Fourier transformations and the trigonometry where the end of the comprehension and the final equation is the  e, natural logarithm value of 2.718 if I recall well after 40 years, exponential iӨ, where i is the square root of  -1 and theta the angle of the phase or displacement around the circle,in calculus thus one would have to memorize upwards of 300 basic and I say basic formulae plus another 400 to 500 theorems to be able to memorize the logic. Forget it only supercomputers and extremely skilled people can do it.

The answer is logic and deduction and inference, this is the only way one can learn advanced math not memorization.

You are right nothing guarantees chess winning, not math, nor logic, nor reading books only one thing does it it is the determination to win, the ultimate move to win is to combine all of the skills you have and keep attacking, the real key, put your opponent always in an unbalanced position where he has to respond to your move rather than having him dictate the course of the game.

I guarantee he will have a problem.

But to do this you have to be able to analyze at least 2 moves from both sides and 3 to 4 is preferable, world champions analyze 12 to 18 moves ahead, not without any mistake as they would win all of the time.

How do you analyze 1, 2, 3 or more moves? Just start a new post and I am positive you will get a lot of feedback.

isaac_jay wrote:

DO YOU BELIEVED THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD IN MATH ARE ALSO GOOD IN CHESS?

I know now that you have read my recent posts on the topic. And what is the bottom line? 

Real good people in math have what is called a deduction process in their mind combined with an advanced analysis of the situation and if you add creativity, the will to win, determination, the combativity, and least but not last the belief that no one can beat you, and yes it will happen, then you put forward all of your skills in the game.

The result will be more wins than losses.

I teach Mathematics, have hardly ever book - studied chess, yet am averaging close to 2000 on chess.com and still learning and improving!  Mathematics is does for the logic centre of your brain what going to the gym does for your muscles - it exercises and strengthens it.  Once you can analyse in a logical way you have the capacity to do well in chess.

In my opinion, being good at Maths doesn't mean you'll be good at chess. It's just that both disciplines require high mental capabilities, so if you're good at one discipline, most likely you'll be good at another.

interesting topic. when i was on elementary school, actually i didnt know i liked math or not, but i can sure that i didn't like chess, because i didnt know how to play and won game . but when i was on high school, I had realized that I was expert on math. my aptitude test was high (8.5 out of 10), but i still didnt like chess. And in second year university, I was looking for new hobby (I didnt have really hobby), so tried to play some chess games, and i knew that i had found my truely hobby. And I start to learn chess.With 2 years knowing chess, I have make progressive development. Now, I know much about chess.

So, My conclusion A person who have ability in math,will easy to make develop skill in chess.

not necessarily. but if the person inclined to math knows how to apply the reasoning ability he uses in solving mathematical problems to chess, then he could have a decent game. after all, chess is a game of logic.

but if you analyze it clearly.. there's a simmilarrities between math and chess.. in math you solve number problem in chess is position problem..in math u need to follow the process of solving before you get the ryt answer.. while in chess you need to calculated all the next best moved to gain a victory..the point is whos  the player manipulated  better is definitely win the game..

i think chess is way more fun than maths!

well i am good at math but rubbish at chess lol