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rigamagician

Yeah, it's so hard to become an admin that many teams have no active admin at all.  The members of those groups have no chance to play in matches or vote chess games.  This is especially vexing when the group has signed up for an intergroup team match tournament like the World League, and the players want to play, but there is no one there to send or accept the challenges.  Some of these leaderless teams are huge with lots of active players who could easily take over the reins if only they'd been invited before the admins went awol.  Not only are the members of the team deprived of a chance to play, but also all their opponents in the team matches.

Tao999

Perhaps this has been implemented since this this thread was started, but maybe an "undo" function for super-admins would be warrented here, or at least a way to see exactly who was kicked (or who deleted posts or threads, etc.) so they could be re-invited in case a rogue admin gets destructive.

It is hard to get to know people and track them (their mental states anyways) online, but just as a CEO can reverse decisions of a VP or other administrative staff, it seems viable that a super-admin could do the same in a group he built/"owned", espeically a larger group that he has spent considerable time and effort bulding and maintaining.

Tao999

Giving them the tools to view and/or override the decisions of admin shouldn't be a problem then IMO. I am far from being an authoritarian, but if the founder/builder/owner of a group can't even figure out what his admin are doing (is this the case now?) then this seems to me to be an issue, and something that should perhaps be changed.

johnmusacha
rigamagician wrote:

Recently, one of the Super Admins of a World League team appointed a couple of new admins to help.  They changed the name of the group, created a new group with the original name, and deleted many members from the original group.  Would it be possible to create some kind of protection for long established groups with many ongoing matches to prevent this kind of mischief?  Perhaps, new admins could be barred from deleting more than one or two players.  Changes in the name of a group could require the permission of a majority of the admins.  Or support staff could be given some kind of override to undo changes if there are complaints.

The OP is hilarious!  And more so because it was a national team.  Such things go on with real life countries all the time.  Just think of it as a coup

PLAVIN81

THE ADIN IS APOINTED BY THE SUPER ADMIN===IF YOU APLY FOR AN OPEN ADMIN SPOT=YOU MIGHT BE AWARDED IT

rigamagician
Tao999 wrote:

Perhaps this has been implemented since this this thread was started, but maybe an "undo" function for super-admins would be warrented here, or at least a way to see exactly who was kicked (or who deleted posts or threads, etc.) so they could be re-invited in case a rogue admin gets destructive.

It is hard to get to know people and track them (their mental states anyways) online, but just as a CEO can reverse decisions of a VP or other administrative staff, it seems viable that a super-admin could do the same in a group he built/"owned", espeically a larger group that he has spent considerable time and effort bulding and maintaining.

Yeah, I've been in situations where that would be useful.  One World League admin deleted all of erik and baseballfan's old posts on the rationale behind the event, and there was seemingly no way to get them back.  Some discussion forums have a junk section where they move old threads that no longer seem useful, but from which they can be rescued on request.

johnmusacha

Even after two years, I still think that is some funny stuff!  Covert agents de-stabilize real-world countries all the time, so what's there to do but laugh when the same thing happens to a internet chess club? 

And why has this discussion gone on for this long without anyone saying which team this happened to?  What was the aftermath?  It's been two years since this allegedly happened.

Or is Rigamagician making this all up?

P.S.: I am a super administrator of a World League team myself (Chad), and I would have none to blame but myself if the same happened to the Chad team.

rigamagician

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blackfirestorm
Balachandar wrote:

I agree with Riga on this issue. Many are saying that SA must be more careful before promoting anyone as admin, but as riga said, If the would-be vandals pretend to be nice guys initially, I'm not even sure there is much Super Admins can do.

Agreed its just a case of being able to trust your judgement