# Tactic Trainer Timer needs to be removed

• 14 months ago · Quote · #121
fianchetto123 wrote:

The tactics trainer timer is required to calculate the rating, so it should stay.

It's only required since it's set up that way. It's not actually required to calculate a rating.

And the rating is only used to determine what type of problems you get. In a real world game, you're not going to always be given a 1500 rated puzzle to solve. It's the choice of the site to deliver problems of similar ratings to your own. While not a bad idea, also not very interesting when you're stuck at that level because of a buggy site. (Also my cheap mouse will sometimes drop a piece even though I didn't let go of the button at the wrong spot. Not very helpful mouse.)

There are a lot of ways to lose points, and fewer ways to gain them. If I get 15 problems correct and increased my rating by +25. Missing two problems completely can set me back all the way.

One thing they really need to do is add weights to each move. I've seen problems rated at 1100 that have a pass rate of 3% because the first 5 moves are very easy and the last is at the grand master level. Due to the simplicity of the formula used here, a good problem like that stays at an odd rating level.

And it's because you're rewarded for how quickly you can get most of the moves correct, even though you shouldn't be getting a positive score because that last move you made wrong would cost you the game in a lot of situations.

• 14 months ago · Quote · #122

A good example of why the timer aspect of TT is flawed is this one problem I remember from a long time ago (And wish I had a link to to illustrate). It ended with a rook move that would lead to a checkmate, and I got it correct, but for the wrong reason and thus causing the rating and average time to be flawed for that problem. About half the people moved the other rook instead thinking that was also good. Had they been able to look ahead a few moves they would have seen that it would have given the opponent time to checkmate you. Had they taken the time to see this, they would have probably lost points.

That problem belongs in a higher rating bracket, but since time and luck are bigger factors in TT, it stays where it is. Had I just moved on to the next problem thinking I got it correct without seeing the comments I would have never had learned that I really just got lucky.

There are lots of problems like that, and if you remove the time component, you remove luck as a deciding factor.

One more problem is that a lot of players will make an obvious move first without looking ahead to see if it leads to anything good causing the average time to be very low. These problems really irritate me, since by the time I find that it's the only correct move, the puzzle ends right there since it happens to be a one move problem. And my score is much lower than people that make knee-jerk moves and (again) get lucky.

These problems are sometimes fairly complex, but due to how TT is so reliant on time, they end up placed at low rating levels.

I think if you take away the timer, you will see problems falling into their true rating level where they belong.

I strongly disbelieve that large numbers of people will start cheating to mess up every problem since they will learn nothing from it.

Outside of the fact that some people insist that the timer is crucial, I see no evidence that it helps at all. Even the supporters of the timer keep saying that it's about pattern recognition. Does this imply that you can't learn patterns if you get more time to study the same number of problem?

Of course thanks to DavidMertz1 helpful link I can now get exactly what paying members get. Unlimited problems at any rating range with no time limits. :)

• 14 months ago · Quote · #123
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• 14 months ago · Quote · #124

I'm not impressed with someone with a 1700 rating (AKA weak tactician) that is just an overgrown internet bully that feels the need to repeatedly insult others that don't agree with them. This is not a thread for you. It's in the suggestions for the site. As you don't work for the site. Piss off.

Allow me to reiterate, since you just feel the need to follow me from thread to thread and harass me and from what I've seen anyone that has a differing opinion than yours.

"This is the second time you trolled a post I made by confusing your opinion with facts and try to start an argument. I don't want your 'help'. Just go away."

Is there any way to make this clearer for your 1600 - 1700 rated unbelievable brilliant mind to understand?