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ozzie_c_cobblepot

You misspelled business.

DeepGreene
Eric_C wrote:

In response to one of the recurring themes on the first page (sorry I don't have time at the moment to read the rest :( ), that it frustrates you to see players come online only to not make a move, I must say that there are a couple possible scenarios that I believe this could be legitimate.


So to continue what may be a total digression....

If you're not either in Live Chess or in your Online Chess Home or in an e-chess game, it's easy to argue that the little online indicators should just stay away.  I always feel a teensy moment of guilt when I come online to do a Chess Mentor lesson or two (no intention of making moves in e-chess) and I fear my little radio tower (?) is upping my opponents' expectation that I'm about to move. 

I can't imagine anyone cares much about my online status if I'm just browsing around in the forums or doing tactics.  No?

rooperi

I still think there should be a limit to the number of times (not lenght of time) a person can take vacation.

I think when the developers on this site decided to include vacation, there was an intention that it be used for people who are actually away for extended periods (something normally planned months or weeks ahead), and maybe for the odd crisis.

I think twice a week is more than reasonable. If you have more crises than that, maybe you should give up chess and sort out your life.

artfizz
bsrasmus wrote:

....  But I object to stalling tactics in which it seems obvious that my opponent is hoping I'll give up and give him the win, even though my position is clearly superior.  That's vacation abuse.


This is the part of the attitude that I find difficult to grasp: it's not your move - so why would you even be looking at the game, let alone reacting to it? Who knows or cares what your opponent is thinking?

CarlMI
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

You misspelled business.


 Wouldn't be the first time, normally its busyness.  Good thing I don't try to run one, it'd be bankrupt, of course then I could apply for a bailout....

CarlMI
bsrasmus wrote:
CarlMI wrote:And what is vacation abuse?  There is no such thing as a completely lost and hopeless position thus the FAQ on vacation abuse is inapplicable.

You read the policy.  The staff has the authority to adjudicate and possibly warn or ban the player.

If you are using your vacation time for the purpose that it was assigned you have nothing to worry about.  If you decide to misuse the vacation then you shouldn't be surprised if there are consequences.


 Which policy?  Where is it published?  Oh, we're back to FAQs again.  I'll continue to read the one that says I can take vacation whenever I desire a break.  To adjudicate a game, when I'm complying with the published FAQ, because my opponent complains, is wrong.  But I realize we must keep our whiners quiet since they annoy so much.

smileative

We're all goin' on a summer holiday Smile no more workin' for a year or two Smile

artfizz

An elephant walks into a bar and says: "Do I want a beer? NO! NO! NO! NO!"

So the barman says: "Why the big noes?"

smileative

lol, art Smile

artfizz
smileative wrote: lol, art

 Your previous post was on-topic whereas mine was one step removed from being so.

catholicbatman

In my opinion, whatever reason people take vacation is their business. I don't care because it's going to run out eventually, regardless of the reason they may be taking it. If they go on vacation I look to another game. In my 300 or so games I have never had anyone go on hiatus because they were losing a game so bad to me (at least not that I can recall), and if they were I could care less. When they set it back they will still be losing, and if they don't they will run out of time, either way I win.

artfizz
catholicbatman wrote:

In my opinion, whatever reason people take vacation is their business. I don't care because it's going to run out eventually, regardless of the reason they may be taking it. If they go on vacation I look to another game. In my 300 or so games I have never had anyone go on hiatus because they were losing a game so bad to me (at least not that I can recall), and if they were I could care less. When they set it back they will still be losing, and if they don't they will run out of time, either way I win.


Amen.

arthurdavidbert

Vacation is either vacation or putting off something that is going to happen  anyway.

jaf299
artfizz wrote:
catholicbatman wrote:

In my opinion, whatever reason people take vacation is their business. I don't care because it's going to run out eventually, regardless of the reason they may be taking it. If they go on vacation I look to another game. In my 300 or so games I have never had anyone go on hiatus because they were losing a game so bad to me (at least not that I can recall), and if they were I could care less. When they set it back they will still be losing, and if they don't they will run out of time, either way I win.


Amen.


 Amen again, exactly how I feel.

TheGrobe

Except there's not an adjudication rule here so while the rule may be the rules, that's not a rule.

artfizz
bsrasmus wrote: Regardless of how anyone feels, the rules are the rules.  If you decide to break the rules, don't be surprised when your game is adjudicated.

I reserve the right to be surprised.

TheGrobe
bsrasmus wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

Except there's not an adjudication rule here so while the rule may be the rules, that's not a rule.


On the contrary.  There very clearly is an adjudication rule.

"Vacation abuse is when a player uses the vacation time to intentionally delay a game which is completely and hopelessly lost. Please only use vacation time in an honest matter when you are away from the site for an extended period of time. Chess.com has the right to adjudicate a game which we feel one of the players is using vacation time to intentionally delay a game when in a lost position. Abusing the vacation time may also result in a warning and/or account closure."

http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=691


I stand corrected.

I presume that the abuse would have to be quite obvious, and eggregious before this is enacted -- even then, does anyone know if a game's ever actually been adjudicated under this rule?

artfizz

As CarlMI pointed out (several times!), chess.com's FAQ also says: 

Vacation Time?? I’m going to be out of town for a while, but I don’t want to lose my games!

 

 

Solution 

 

Don’t worry - we know that everyone needs to take a break :) Chess.com gives all members the ability to pause their Online Chess games using Vacation time. 

 

To put  yourself on vacation just go to your settings page and click on the VACATION button then "save preferences" and your games will be postponed.Note: You must have played the moves in all your games before going on vacation (meaning it must be your opponent's move in all of your games to turn vacation on).

 

Premium Members get auto-vacation protection, so if they don't make it to a computer in time, their account will automatically be set on vacation. 

http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=31

 

Since there's no restriction on the order in which you can select games for making a move, it's entirely reasonable to make more moves in certain games than in others. Once you've used up the time you want to spend playing chess on a particular day, timeout protection [auto-vacation] will cut in if you are a premium member and there are games that are about to timeout.

CarlMI

Define "lost position".  Fritz says -1.0? 2.0, 3.0, ?  A lost position is one in which one has been checkmated or run out of time.  So if chess.com wants to adjudicate a position that is over, fine, but "by the rules" only a lost position is adjudicated.

jaf299
TheGrobe wrote:
bsrasmus wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

Except there's not an adjudication rule here so while the rule may be the rules, that's not a rule.


On the contrary.  There very clearly is an adjudication rule.

"Vacation abuse is when a player uses the vacation time to intentionally delay a game which is completely and hopelessly lost. Please only use vacation time in an honest matter when you are away from the site for an extended period of time. Chess.com has the right to adjudicate a game which we feel one of the players is using vacation time to intentionally delay a game when in a lost position. Abusing the vacation time may also result in a warning and/or account closure."

http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=691


I stand corrected.

I presume that the abuse would have to be quite obvious, and eggregious before this is enacted -- even then, does anyone know if a game's ever actually been adjudicated under this rule?


 There is only one 'g' in 'eggregious', why not just say 'glaringly obvious', then the less erudite amongst us (like me) won't have to look the word up in a dictionary Laughing