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16th November 2008, 06:10pm
#1
by sjdubois
jacksonville, florida United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 32

I'm new to chess.com and I am playing in 4 tournaments. During one of my games I was down on material, my opponent had mate in two. he sent me a curt message which said "Please resign so this doesn't drag out".

I felt the message was rude and condescending. Not what I expected from a chess community.

 

Any thoughts?

16th November 2008, 06:17pm
#2
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 12607

Well, unfortunately rudeness and condescension are far from being strangers to the chess community.  But it seems to me that the guy ought to be able to summon up enough patience to wait out a mate in 2.

16th November 2008, 06:20pm
#3
by RedSoxpawn
UAB BLAZER International
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 32610

Just keep playing, and tell them that you are trying to learn. That is what I do when I am in a good mood (you don't want to know what I normally say)

16th November 2008, 06:22pm
#4
by snits
Phoenix United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 375

It is somewhat rude for your opponent to send that message. You might have wanted to play out the game to see how a person wins a position like that. If it is already to the point where it is mate in 2, some would consider it discourteous of you to resign because you played it out that far, but not to mate.

It is considered courteous to resign in a completely lost position, but if you are trying to improve it makes sense to play out games and make the other player convert the win.

A good rule of thumb I've heard said before is if you could switch sides and easily beat the other player, then it is probably time to resign. 

16th November 2008, 06:24pm
#5
by bart225
kelowna bc Canada
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 613

Even if someone  chooses to play a lost game out till the very end  , check- mate ,that should be respected .

16th November 2008, 06:30pm
#6
by l_goch
Chicago United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 7350

Your opponents statement IS "rude and condescending".   Your opponents statement shows a lack of the spirit of true sportsmanship.

16th November 2008, 06:34pm
#7
by bobbereight
Madison, WI United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 209

Here is my rule on resignation: vs a specific opponent, make him prove he can win. Then resign in later games if you so desire. Resignation is not your opponent's choice for you, but a gentlemanly act saying "I don't want to see my troops slaughtered."

Your opponent should be ashamed of himself for his rude and outlandish statements

16th November 2008, 06:57pm
#8
by Leatherneck
North Wales, PA United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 84

I recently played a game in which I had considered resigning because I had what I thought was a losing position. I decided to continue on in hopes my opponent would  make a mistake.He did & I pulled out a win.

 

Don't give-up til  its hopeless

15th January 2009, 04:46am
#9
by Fierce_Br
Brasilia Brazil
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 75

i also agree that it was rude and with the above comments. but being a chess comunity doesnt mean u wont find that, ive had worse insults (for example, towards my country, which left me furious).

 =p

15th January 2009, 04:47am
#10
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 7434

rude

15th January 2009, 04:53am
#11
by Beelzebub666
Great Britain
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 387

That's poor etiquette, so is stringing out a lost game.

15th January 2009, 04:58am
#12
by NM Reb
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 7857

Both players are being rude imo.

15th January 2009, 05:07am
#13
by headofwords
Nagano, Japan England
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 116

Disable the chat then wait until ten minutes before you run out of time before moving.  Do this as many times as possible, or better yet, go on vacation!

Seriously, I don't think you should actually do the above, but I can't stand people who ask someone else to resign.  Personally I resign when I can't see any way back, factoring in my opponent's rating, the number of big mistakes they've made so far, etc.  But it is completely your right to play to checkmate, and the time controls give you three days per move, so in theory it's perfectly in your right to use up that period before moving.

To be fair to your opponent, at least he said please.  That's pretty rare in my experience.

15th January 2009, 05:15am
#14
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 8363
Fierce_Br wrote:

i also agree that it was rude and with the above comments. but being a chess comunity doesnt mean u wont find that, ive had worse insults (for example, towards my country, which left me furious).

 =p


It wasn't this one, was it:

"Brazil - isn't that where the nuts come from?"

15th January 2009, 05:22am
#15
by JoseO
Miami, FL United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 276

I would have to say that was rude of him to do so. If he knew that he had a mate in 2, he should have had the patience to wait and allow the game to play itself out. The option to choose when to resign should be up to the player who is playing and not the opponent. The opponent should just continue to make strong moves to make it clear that the end result has been pretty much determined due to a clear winning position.

15th January 2009, 02:18pm
#16
by Pyke
Toronto Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 289

I don't think it's rude at all if it's mate in 2.

15th January 2009, 02:27pm
#17
by joetheplumber
The White House United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 322

It is rude, never ask an opponant to resign. If they want to resign, they will and if they dont then they probably wont even if you tell them too. Just play on and take as much time as you want.

I sugest a simple "no thanks" in the chat box

18th January 2009, 08:26am
#18
by JediMaster
Brookings SD United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 471

That is surely not a class chess player.  Just disable chat.

18th January 2009, 08:38am
#19
by 0-0
Afghanistan
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 192
tonydal wrote:

Well, unfortunately rudeness and condescension are far from being strangers to the chess community.  But it seems to me that the guy ought to be able to summon up enough patience to wait out a mate in 2.


Yeah you should know! You called me a "yutz" after I made a comment about your inappropriate forum postings...

18th January 2009, 08:45am
#20
by Momadu
San Francisco United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 117

I am not sure I agree with all here. I think at times, new players should be aware that there are times when one should resign. Not all new players are aware of this. I explained to players when it is appropriate to resign and remember having a strong player explain the etiquette surrounding resigning when I was a new player (not here). I was appreciative. Let's be honest, at over the board clubs and in high level tourneys, you never see players playing on in completely lost positions. I do remember one Topolov game when he promoted to a bishop to make a point. If you are down material and have attacking chances, a strong stalemate possibility, or suitable compensation, by all means play on. If your opponent has mate in three, or could drop a piece or two and still win, just resign.  It is simply expected.

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