I'll reply after I'm done beatin' old Trigger.
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joetheplumber wrote:
"its not over till its over"
i dont know who said that but its good advice.
play it out if you want, i would never hold that against an opponent.
I'm never gonna hold it against him as a person, but I'm definitely going to choose very carefully who I choose to spend time with. Simply put, learning when to resign is an important measure of your understanding and development as a chess player. I don't hold it against players who don't know when to resign, but I have no desire to play with them in the future.
I think not resigning in a lost position is rude, but in blitz its all right=D
An interesting game cited in an earlier discussion ...
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/lack-of-respect2
I would have to agree with alot of you on this subject.Your opponent should know when enough is enough ,Especially after he has gained some experience over the board.Yes it maybe rude to waste your opponents time by playing out a hopeless position,But I seem to recall that its "My move" and "My time" also.So all in all even when your loosing you can still choose to lose anyway you want,Mate,Resign,or on time either way its a lose.Besides "Respect" you never show your opponent any respect,because once you show him respect you lose.A win is a win no matter how its recieved so quit complaining.Also did Leonidis show Zerxies any on the battlefield,So in war and in a game of war your trying to conquer your opponent wheres' the respect in that trying to destroy each other.Leonidis fought to the very bitter end "DEATH" he may have been there by Spartan Law but he was there he was Warrior King.I show more respect to an opponent who is willing to fight with all the tenacity of tiger backed into a corner becuase just maybe he'll give the fight you were looking for all along.So brave little warrior fight on.15 thousand Spartan warriors commanded by 30 thousand free Greeks.300 took on thousands,should they have resinged?
If you have a mate in two, be happy about it, play it, and quit whining. If 4 moves is a drag, how can you possibly play a whole game?
But then I'm used to playing chessmaster on the PC which never resigns, always drags games out, and has bored me into blundering more than once.
bvangunten wrote:
Steve,
Chess.com is like many other internet sites where people can chat and post: some people use the relative anonymity to vent some personal negativity. This "rude to not resign" or "rude to ask someone to resign" thread should probably be in the FAQ by now.
Most of the responses to your post have rightly pointed out that your opponent's method of asking you to resign was thoroughly rude. It is also true that playing a completely lost position is considered rude by many, though not all. PawnFork's post (#23 on this thread) seemed a reasonable compromise. The game is not completely lost to you unless you yourself see exactly how you are going to be checkmated. It is reasonable for an experienced player to explain some chess culture to a beginner, but only in a completely civil, friendly, and welcoming way. I would recommend:
"Hey Steve, I've been enjoying this game. I believe I have a forcing line with 24...Nf6 25.Kf8 Qa8 26.Kg7 Ne6. Note that my g pawn protects my f6 Knight. I thought you might be a beginner, because in most chess communities it is considered etiquette to resign once the mate is inevitable - so I thought I'd mention it. It doesn't put me out to finish the game, but I thought I'd fill you in on some chess culture. One reason for the etiquette of resigning is in a situation where the game is the last one in a group for a tournament, and the winners of all the other groups are waiting for this game to end so that the next round of the tournament can begin. But it's your call; I'm happy to finish this with you."
I hope that helps. About 95% of the time we have this thread, it's because the dude who wants someone else to resign is just a crank - but it is true that resignation is considered polite for completely lost situations. But do wait until its completely lost. Many people are so used to resigning or having their opponents resign that they haven't practiced their endgame. The golf analogy was great: if everyone gave up after one of Tiger Woods' incredible drives, no one would ever know if he could putt well enough to close the deal! Endgames are an exciting part of the game. Openings are all about memorization, but endgames are very personal conflicts. When you have that many hours or days invested in a game; the anxiety, pressure, excitement, and emotional investment really picks up.
I completely agreed with this post.
No manners.
As a Local TD for USCF, I see chat that specifically addresses the game the same as talking to one's opponent over the board. It is both poor etiquette and a violation of the rules. The reason this rule is in place for OTB games is two-fold: 1) to limit talk in the tournament room and 2) to prohibit influencing the game.
Remember, the game is played on the chessboard. I would never make such a suggestion unless my opponent was clearly dragging the game out (taking days to make a move when all his/her other moves were done in a matter of hours) And even then, my chat would first be to inquire as to whether he was still playing the game (due to the long delay).
As a Local TD for USCF, I see chat that specifically addresses the game the same as talking to one's opponent over the board. It is both poor etiquette and a violation of the rules. The reason this rule is in place for OTB games is two-fold: 1) to limit talk in the tournament room and 2) to prohibit influencing the game.
Remember, the game is played on the chessboard. I would never make such a suggestion unless my opponent was clearly dragging the game out (taking days to make a move when all his/her other moves were done in a matter of hours) And even then, my chat would first be to inquire as to whether he was still playing the game (due to the long delay).
u don't have to resign...I always try 4 a stalemate...and it helps ur endgame to finish:)
Not resigning when the game is lost is fine with me so long as the game continues at the same pace as before.
Slowing down to play on the nose of the time control is annoying - but not really wasting my time either so not a big problem.
Only really unacceptable behaviour: losing in a live game with 8 minutes on the clock and just sitting there and just letting the time run out instead of playing out the game or resigning
This is why you should not resign:
I'm playing you now, two moves from mate. Take as long as you like ;)
Sorry to hear 😞 I play chess to talk and have fun 🎉 I would gladly accept any gme
hmm interesting..
hmm interesting..
It depends on the person who is getting to hear it. I would have considered it rude but I remember a long ago I was playing a cheerful guy who had lost everything (I guess 2 minor pieces remained where as I had my queen and both rooks) and I ask him "Come on man, just resign" and he took it very lightly and send this message with a smiley "Nah I'll try to fight it out" and you know what he did manage and because of my overconfidence and blunders I ended up in a draw. 🙂
Some people are just rude. I recently had a game where we were having friendly banter the whole time but neat the end I was able to promote a pawn to gain the upper hand. His last message was " F this" . I didn't think anything of it at the time. I enjoyed chatting while playing,so I sent him a friend request. The response he gave me a day later puzzled me : " you can take your friend request elsewhere " I do not believe I did anything against etiquette. We were in the middle game when I promoted the pawn,is that considered improper? I'm just lost as to what I did?
"its not over till its over"
i dont know who said that but its good advice.
play it out if you want, i would never hold that against an opponent.