Is it against site policy to copy your opponent's moves from one tournament game into another game from the same tournament? (Is it ever ok to do this?)

Wouldn't this qualify is using a database, thus making it allowed?

I'm in a tournament right now where it is happening. I am playing against a 1300, who is relaying my moves to another 2100 player. This is NOT ok. I don't think it can be rationalized by saying it is in a DB, since this is not a DB. The player is not adding any value whatsoever. When you use a DB, you are theoretically "learning" about the opening. In this case, it is more like consultation (but worse) and should not be allowed.

I don't think there's any requirement that someone needs to learn something from using an opening database.  Most people can't fully explain why a move in a particular opening is being played, but they refer to an opening book and see that move x is part of the continuation and they make the move.  I don't really see how that's much different than using the opening moves of a higher rated player.  Eventually, the 2100 opponent will deviate and he won't be able to copy your moves, correct?  Maybe I'm not understanding the situation....

Here is what is happening. I have a game where I am white against the 1300 player. The 1300 player has white against a different 2100 player, from the same tournament. (Both games are ongoing in the tournament.) I made the move 1: d4, and the 1300 player then goes to make the same move against the other player. He then waits for the response from the other 2100 player (it was Nf6), and then he plays this move on my board.

In this manner (theoretically) he is guaranteed of getting exactly 1 point out of the two points available. He will win one game and lose the other, or he will draw both.

I hope I have explained this well - do you have any questions?

Oooh, I see what you're saying now.  That's not good at all.  I don't see how anyone could view that as anything other than getting outside help.  It's no different than if the 2100 player was standing over his shoulder kibitzing.

Yes, I have contacted the 2100 player, chess.com staff, and the 1300 player explaining that this is unacceptable.

I don't see any way other than the player forfeiting both of the games, but we will see what chess.com staff decides.

Basically you are playing the 2100 player with him as an intermediary to push the pieces. This is an old trick used by a couple of farmers against Alekhine. They challenged him that one of them would beat him for sure. By using this technique,he ended up playing against himself!!!

I agree it is not professional to use this at a tournament...useful party trick though...lol 

in my mind this"cheater"may get his short term advantage,but learn no real lasting knowledge .expose him so when others play against him they know the caliber of his character.he will eventually be ousted by the community,from the community,building a better site for us all.

or hunt him down and kill him slowly and painfully(joke)

 

Alekhine could have played a draw in such a situation by pat.

About your problem ozzie, yes this IS cheating and I'm sure the chess.com staff will do something.

Anyway, in your situation, you have more chances to win than in Alekhine's lol. 

kick out the cheat

It will be interested to hear how this issue was resolved!

 

Well Done to spot what was going on!

Read a similar story recently involving Frank Marshall. Marshall was approached by a 'friend' for some advice about a game he was playing. Marshall gave the advice and then later learnt that it was actually an ongoing correspondence game against another gentleman he also knew. Marshall solved the dilemma by approaching the 2nd player and after getting him to disclose the game without directly telling him why, gave him advice on what to play. Both players continued on, unaware that Marshall was helping both of them. In the end, the game was drawn, and both players were left wondering how their opponent had managed to draw against the great Frank Marshall!!

precisely they gained nothing of substance as far as ability goes.not men of any realclass ostricise this type for the betterment of the community

 

I've been thinking about this myself, but my scenario was inferior to this one. In mine, I could deviate from my chosen opening line in one game and solve the situation. In this one though, there's nothing you can do! this one's really good.

 I'm also very curious what the staff will choose to do about this one. It's totally unacceptable behaviour, but theoretically it could not be described as cheating, I suppose. 

 Is there anything you could to by taking advantage of the time limit? Like delaying your moves to the last minute, so that he would have to make a move by himself against the other player?

of maybe even better, talk with the other strong player, make a detailed agreement and prepare a trap? I think this should be doable against a 1300 when both of you are 2000. 

this is cheating for sure

I say that if is decided that this player is not cheating, than we should post their name in a forum and make public their conduct. Maybe the possible shame would make them take a different approach to this noble game of ours.

 

ILEARNEDAT7 wrote:

or hunt him down and kill him slowly and painfully(joke)

 

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ILEARNDAT7 seems to have overlooked the fact that his/her family, descendents, known associates, etc. will also need to be eliminated - as a warning to others. Perhaps, though, as a first course, a severed knight's head could be left on his pillow?

Ban the ****er.