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20th January 2009, 12:42am
#1
by kiwijohn
Kapiti Coast New Zealand
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 191

What is Games Explorer? I see there is a tournament where you are not allowed to use it?

20th January 2009, 12:55am
#2
by nqi
Otago New Zealand
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1073

Games Explorer is pretty much the chess.com opening database. It shows the various moves played from the beginning by masters games (up to about year 2006), your games and any other chess.com member's games (if you have a platinum/diamond membership). It shows the number of games played with each move, the White wins/draw/Black wins percentages, the various replies and their percentages as above. You can also access the games played in that particular opening. 

20th January 2009, 01:28am
#3
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 8363

There have been a number of discussions about using it during turn-based play. Although it is entirely allowed within the site rules, some players have strong reservations about its use.  e.g.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/fully-integrated-game-explorer 

A TALLY OF DATABASE-USERS & NON-USERS

Using Books & Databases for Playing Turn Based.

21st January 2009, 12:42am
#4
by kiwijohn
Kapiti Coast New Zealand
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 191

thank you for the feed back.

i am new to playing chess on the computer like this and am learning a lot about a "culture" of play I am unfamiliar with. i often get the impression that some people are using a computer to "look up their moves" (and wonder why they would do that).

i am still amazed by the masive learning resource of this site.

21st January 2009, 01:30am
#5
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 8363
kiwijohn wrote:

thank you for the feed back.

i am new to playing chess on the computer like this and am learning a lot about a "culture" of play I am unfamiliar with. i often get the impression that some people are using a computer to "look up their moves" (and wonder why they would do that).

i am still amazed by the masive learning resource of this site.


There is naturally a lack of awareness and also confusion about chess technology and terminology - since virtually all of us started out with a board and wooden pieces.

Here's a quick site-playing-rules-a-guide-for-the-perplexed.

21st January 2009, 02:25am
#6
by BorgQueen
Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 19535

Nice post, it sure makes it clear what you can and cannot do :)

21st January 2009, 02:01pm
#7
by kiwijohn
Kapiti Coast New Zealand
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 191

thank you. that is very interesting.

21st January 2009, 02:23pm
#8
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945

The endgame is still a gray area. Let's say I'm studying king and pawn endgames every day. One of my games is approaching a king and pawn endgame. The positions that were in my study plan already might be quite relevant to the upcoming endgame.

21st January 2009, 02:25pm
#9
by kiwijohn
Kapiti Coast New Zealand
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 191

see your point

21st January 2009, 02:55pm
#10
by Saccadic
Vaughan, Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 620

Thanks for the table. Very neat.

21st January 2009, 02:58pm
#11
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
Gotham United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 8179

I think you should add that using a computer during the game for turn-based is only ok in unrated games, regardless of any agreement or tournament rules.

Until chess.com creates a separate rating for advanced chess, they should not sanction what I will call "rating pollution".

21st January 2009, 03:09pm
#12
by kiwijohn
Kapiti Coast New Zealand
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 191

i think its quite interesting the differnt views people have expressed and the implied objectives they seem to have in playing online chess. being a rather elderly gentleman(!) i have quite old fashioned ideas about the game and have approached the online environment as a way i can have hundreds of games to improve my borad game (if or) when i next sit down over a board with someone. as such it comes unnatural to look up anything during play. i do spend hours studing and take the opint about endgame studies but see that again as - if i remember it i can use it.

interesting discussions. thank you

21st January 2009, 05:50pm
#13
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 8363
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

I think you should add that using a computer during the game for turn-based is only ok in unrated games, regardless of any agreement or tournament rules.

Until chess.com creates a separate rating for advanced chess, they should not sanction what I will call "rating pollution".


chess.com's current rules here http://www.chess.com/legal.html do not stipulate unrated games (but they do in another place).

Assuming everyone in one of these special tournaments is using computer assistance, won't any rating changes be on the same basis as for standard unassisted games?

21st January 2009, 05:55pm
#14
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945

But if someone plays a bunch of games in with an engine (whether their opponents agree to it or not) and then play me without one, my rating change due to that game won't be relevant to the computer free rating pool. The rating pool is polluted as ozzie puts it.

21st January 2009, 06:04pm
#15
by gumpty
congleton England
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 7667
Erik has definetly stated somewhere that computer use is only allowed in UNRATED games, im sure of this....
24th January 2009, 01:47am
#16
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 8363
gumpty wrote:
Erik has definetly stated somewhere that computer use is only allowed in UNRATED games, im sure of this....

http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=17&nav=0,6

24th January 2009, 02:24am
#17
by merepawn40
Boston, MA United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 115

Very clear. Thanks.

24th January 2009, 06:27pm
#18
by gumpty
congleton England
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 7667
artfizz wrote:
gumpty wrote:
Erik has definetly stated somewhere that computer use is only allowed in UNRATED games, im sure of this....

http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=17&nav=0,6


Thanks Arty Smile

24th January 2009, 07:15pm
#19
by D_Blackwell
United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 178

...by masters games (up to about year 2006)...

If accurate, why so much lag in updating opening line data?

 

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