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In knokout tournaments "Only players who play their games QUICKLY (who have a low Avg. Time per Move)" are allowed to join. But the average time per move shown here counts all time controls and all moves played since joining chess.com. I think it would be much better if the average time counted for the knockouts would be only 1 day per move and only moves played recently. For example, I play in the games which have the least time (that is between 24 and 48 hours), so 1 day games are always on the top and I play them very quickly, while the 3+ days per move games (which always have to wait a few days) make my average time per move very high (21 hours). And I know that there are a few thousand such people, who aren't allowed to play in knockout tournaments because of it. I think the system should be changed!
I think they just want to make sure that you're not a person who times out. Usually players with a high average in time per move time out a lot also. Some people that just join the site and have few min. as their time per move, time out but that's cause they make one move and never get on again. I agree. It shouldn't be on the Avg. time per move, but on timeout percentage. The highest percent of timeouts you should be able to have should be somewhere around 8%.
They want the tournament to end quickly. They don't want little timeouts. There are many quick people who had a lot of timeouts too.
I know there are quick people with timeouts like I said in my last post. They get on, make a move, and never come back.
I think it's reasonable to count all games, otherwise many players would not have a sufficient number of moves to count an average from (I've only played 1 day/move in the quick knock tournaments).
I would however agree with counting an average time per move for, say, the past six months. The current system doesn't really reflect the current habits of the player, it takes a very long time to adjust to a change.
what do you mean?
yes but 8% is very much.
Anyways, realistically speaking, a timeout percentage of at LEAST 25% should be the maximum, and not this under 10% rubbish! Stuff happens to people, and you can't expect them to play by your rules all the time!
25% means a fourth of your games ends in a time out.
And that's a lot. Tournaments don't want to be decided by time out games, so they won't let a player who's so likely to time out.
When you start a game, you are commiting yourself to playing it out. And timing out is irresponsible, and disrespectful to the other player. I had some time outs due to connection problems, but I would never say: "Stuff happens." Once you're in a game, you're responsible for making your moves in a timely manner.
Therefore, I agree with the 10% maximum for official tournaments.
yes but what about the average time?
5% maximum timeouts. Anything more than that percentage, deserves a penalty, limiting the number of games you are allowed to play.
Possibly the avergate time per move timer doesn't start until you first pull up the game? Thus it can show as "your move" on the summary page for days...but when you pull up the game and make a move within a few minutes, that's what is being measured.
Time per move is the time that has passed since your opponent made a move.
As Kacparov indicates shorter time control games are more urgent and there will be multiple moves in those games before a single move in a longer time control game.
On a side note, resignations are not counted as a move. Resign before a blunder not after. ;-) The time will not be added.
Timeouts are also not counted as a move so will not increase the time/move average. This is not recommended.
Yes I agree.
you should just play more games
Well, TDs don't like time outs in their tournaments. They mess with the rankings, because one player might lose to you in a regular game, and the other, while also weaker than you, will get a point for a time out. Even a single time outer can screw the entire group rakings-and influence who will advance just with their time outs!
Most TDs don't want people who time out in a fourth of their games in their tournament-they want people commited to playing out their games.
And many are capable of taking that responsibility without sacrificing their real lives, all it takes is some time managment, and saving up your vacation for when you need it.
TDs who set a maximum time out percentage don't do it to shorten the time the tournament takes to play (the average time per move setting does that). They do it to weed out players who might not finish their games in the regular fashion.
Yes, so the knnockout tournmanet should have maximum percentage instead of average time per move!
Knockout tournaments are specifically designed to weed-out those who are likely to take too long to move (or vacations). I agree with the OP that the system should be changed to take into account a weighted average, with the more recent moves being weighted more heavily.
However, the 1-day/move tournament probably would work (regardless of your average time per move) given that the players cannnot apply their vacation time to the tournament. As for me, I use vacation time only during exam/finals week so it isn't a problem.
But honestly, why would you want to participate in a tournament that you would likely time-out of? Why not just join a tournament that fits your schedule, for example, three-days per move so you won't clock out?
Yes that's right.
You have only 23 games in progress, that's nothing!
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