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1st March 2008, 07:42am
#1
by Sandyboots
My pixie dust surrounds my friends United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 34

If a person can't commit to playing the tourney's through, they should not register. It's just plain rude to go on "vacation" and leave everyone hanging.  No class people.

1st March 2008, 08:20am
#2
by Dutch_Defense
Cleveland United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 352
ditto
1st March 2008, 08:48am
#3
by MommaTo4Brats
Maine "State of the yummy Lobstah" United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 344
I agree..whats the point?  And then also bugs me cause they time out cause they never made a move  I wanna win failry (lol or loose)....
1st March 2008, 09:20am
#4
by Sandyboots
My pixie dust surrounds my friends United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 34
Actually, they should be disqualified for doing something like that.  I just think it's so unfair.
3rd March 2008, 08:02am
#5
by lukeyboy_xx
london England
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 555
yh
3rd March 2008, 08:02am
#6
by lukeyboy_xx
london England
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 555
it must be well annoying
7th March 2008, 11:21pm
#7
by Nathan74
Elizabeth, West Virginia United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 52
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm in the FTLOTG tournament and we have a player in my section who just went on vacation. It's still the first round, why even sign up for a tournament if you can't see it through? I have a feeling this player is doing it because he's getting beat like a drum. Tournaments should automatically resign any player who goes on vacation, no matter the reason. It's unfair to the rest of the players to have to wait, regardless of their reason.
7th March 2008, 11:50pm
#8
by God2
Malaysia
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1014
u right,they just wasting our time waiting
8th March 2008, 05:25am
#9
by Quaff
England
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 50
Amazing. Vacation is there to be used, this is "Correspondence" Chess.
14th March 2008, 08:15am
#10
by seuss68
Brattleboro, Vermont United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 181
I just had to use some vacation during the tournament due to my computer crashing.  I was lucky enough to use a public computer to go on vacation until I could get mine back up and running.
14th March 2008, 08:23am
#11
by Housewrecker
State College United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 33
I see both sides of this argument. I went to NYC for 4 days so I went vacation so I didn't lose all my games after the 3rd day. However some people in the tournament seem to put themselves within a move or two of checkmate in all of their games and then go on vacation to prolong a lot of defeats. Maybe they had a legitimate reason, but it's suspicious when someone's behavior changes drastically once they are in a losing position.
15th March 2008, 01:18pm
#12
by lukeyboy_xx
london England
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 555
Once i was in a match and it was ovoius i was goona win but it was 5 day time control so every 4 days he made a move it took nearly 5 weeks to finish it and when i was about to put him in checkmate he resigned i was well annoyed
16th March 2008, 02:02am
#13
by Chessstudent
St.Louis United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 322

presently im am in the same quandry, The guy makes a (A) move per week, back on vacation really frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!

 just dont understand,  (SHAKING HEAD)  anyhow I'm compiling a list of peeps not to play with in the future.


16th March 2008, 02:51am
#14
by excalibur8
Barnsley England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 172
Is it against the rules of this site to use vacation time for whatever reason?  The short and only answer is NO.  It might be frustrating for the other player but you'll have to live with it.
16th March 2008, 03:01am
#15
by Maradonna
Scotland
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 362
Nathan74 wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. I'm in the FTLOTG tournament and we have a player in my section who just went on vacation. It's still the first round, why even sign up for a tournament if you can't see it through? I have a feeling this player is doing it because he's getting beat like a drum. Tournaments should automatically resign any player who goes on vacation, no matter the reason. It's unfair to the rest of the players to have to wait, regardless of their reason.

My tournament games went on vacation. Because I'm a member it automatically does this if my games go below 24 hrs lefts. I don't think being away for less than 3 days is being rude to others, or spoiling the tournament. I am committed to it, but this is turn based correspondence chess and not live internet chess. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. Maybe a tournament vacation time should be allowcated, not as long as normal vacation time, but long enough for people to take a bit of time to attend to their life :)


16th March 2008, 03:28am
#16
by Toharno
Jakarta Indonesia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 55
Agreed w/ you Maradonna, it's  members' right to use their vacation time to do what they need to do, at the end they will go back finishing their game, what's the need to rush the game? Just relax & learn & enjoy the game ( I think it's clearly stated that this iste is meant to " play, learn & share")
16th March 2008, 09:57am
#17
by Nathan74
Elizabeth, West Virginia United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 52

I understand the site rules for vacation time. I have no problem with them except in the case of tournaments. Maradonna's idea about a seperate 'tournament vacation time' has some real merit. If it was set to a week or so, that would give folks time to handle something unexpected without making the wait so long.

 

Regardless of what some of the other posts have stated, I still think it's rude to hold up a tournament by using vacation time. It's not against the rules, but that doesn't make it good form.


16th March 2008, 10:40am
#18
by anyone4chess
Canada
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 31

Not allowing vacations in a turn based chess (is not practical, even if desired) because of the length of the tournament 6 to 12 months. We had to face this very issue when we created the code for our tournament module.

 

The approach we took (since I have run tournaments and know the associations that run tournaments) was to create a model (mock tournament) and then throw all the possible problems you can throw at tournament (TD) and then write your code to meet those conditions. I am happy to say that we have been told that we have the most realistic tournament code (mimics the experience of a real TD) for a Swiss system and combination of a Swiss round robin system on the net today.

 

So if you think about it in terms of what can happen in a real tournament then apply to a online tournament you will see that no allowing vacations (absences, temp withdrawals etc) is really not practical or fair even if it is desired.

 

 


16th March 2008, 10:51am
#19
by Consigliere
Winnipeg, Canada Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 18

As the one who went on Vacation in the tournament with Nathan 74, I can tell you that I was away for a weekend and unable to make any moves, so went on vacation rather than lose all my games- now a week later, the tournament is still going on so I don't think I slowed it down at all.  I would agree with some provision for shorter periods of vacation for tournament play.  Part of the fun of this site is the casual nature of it- I think taking away vacation time would ruin that.

 Vacation or not, Nathan74 kicked my butt anyway. 


16th March 2008, 11:02am
#20
by Nathan74
Elizabeth, West Virginia United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 52

Consigliere: you used your vacation time in what I would call a very responsible and polite manner. You took what you had to (couple of days if I remember correctly), and then you came back and finished your games. In my very first post about the vacation issue, I let my irritation about having to wait at all get the better of me. My current stance on the vacation situation has nothing to do with the way you used your vacation time, infact, the way you used it should be a model for it's use. Just as Maradonna proposed, we need a shorter 'tournament vacation'.

 

A bit of a disclaimer here: I don't want anyone who reads my stance on this issue to think that I am griping or complaining about the rules/site/admin/whatever. That is not the case. My only goal here is to hopefully point out where a rules tweak could work for the benefit of the site. I haven't been with chess.com for very long, but I love it. I have had nothing but positive experiences with the players I have met so far.


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