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Tourneys and Cheaters being Deleted


  • 6 years ago · Quote · #1

    lecycliste

    When a cheater is deleted in a Tournament, I believe all his games should be deleted/defaulted and not just those games that are still running.

    For example, if he has already won a against someone that plays more quickly, it unfairly punishes this victim (of cheating).

     

    No big deal as Tourneys are just for fun .... just saying ....

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #3

    lecycliste

    Yes, Makes sense.

     

    Although fixing the deleted cheaters games is of course much easier (less contentious or confusing) than dealing with the disappearing or slow playing player.

     

    Easier as it is  a far more black and white issue.  A cheater should be banned and his history erased.

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #4

    Loomis

    One solution to the problem ozzie raises is to give the TD the power to default a player who loses more than X games on time. A defaulted player would be removed completely from the crosstable.

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #6

    lecycliste

    Hehe

    Very good point.  If a tourney is finished, is it useful to retrocatively change a result?

    I cycle ... going back and "testing" for cheaters is a sensitive subject. Embarassed

    I do think "writing over" any results by a cheater in an active tourney is a valid and good idea.  *

    From a rating point of view in non tourney games .... maybe ignore ... or erase ... as who wouldn't be pleased to receive an email from Eric that their rating or record had just improved due to a cheater being caught (I assume one wouldn't erase games where a cheater loses).

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #7

    gumpty

    Hi lecycliste, please read this thread http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/cheater-wrecks-tourny, i had the same problem a while ago, and it was sorted by chess.com staff :-)

    I totally agree that if somebody is booted out of a tourny or banned, they should lose ALL there games. Its the only fair way .

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #8

    thegab03

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  • 6 years ago · Quote · #9

    Loomis

    Ozzie, why do you have to write over wins, etc.? Why not just remove the cheater from the crosstable altogether?

     

    As for giving the TD too much power. I would rather have power in the hands of the TD (supposedly al responsible person who is paying attention) than to have power in the hands of a player who decides to walk away from the tournament. Essentially any player who enters a tourney has the ability to compete hard against a few people and then quit chess.com. Seems like we're giving that player a lot of power.

     

    You can have a system where the TD can't just remove players at their discretion. It can be part of the tournament parameters that, say, timing out in 2 games or more is subject to removal. That way all players are in control of whether they get removed.

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #11

    Loomis

    Yeah, it's a tough call. I know I've been in a few tournaments where one player just timed out in their games. It's like a big black eye on the tournament. But maybe we just grin and bear it.

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #13

    jonnyjupiter

    On the topic of timeouts as opposed to cheaters:

    Just had one - in the 4th chess.com tourney one guy in our group used up all his vacation time and timed out for all but one of the players, played a few more moves and then timed out with that guy too. This meant that I never had a chance to make a comeback against the guy who beat me earlier in the round. Mind you, if I had beaten him in the first place I would have won the group, meaning that the one who deserved to win won anyway, so the timeout didn't actually make any difference.

    Timeouts are annoying, but if you're the best player in the group then you'll win all your matches anyway - I blundered in one of my games and blew my chances - no point in me moaning about something else to make me feel better.

    Cheaters are a whole different ball game, but I don't have any first-hand experience of this that I can prove. Some form of medieval torture is probably the best way to go.

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #15

    jonnyjupiter

    We can't be too soft on these people. Sometimes the thumbscrew and rack are the only way to go. Chess is an ancient game and ancient methods are often the best.


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