If you withdraw from a tournament, will you lose all the rated games you were playing? What if you withdraw between rounds--will you lose the next round's games?

 

A previous post indicated that the withdrawl behavior isn't intuitive. 

I'd figure you'd lose by leaving.

If you withdraw you do loose the games in that tournament, but not games outside that tourney. When you say between rounds, do you mean if you win the first round and are waiting for other groups to finish their 1st... hmm, not sure in that case if it would mark the future games as lost or not but i think not because you wouldnt have an opponent yet.

Your rating is only affected if 4 moves or more have been made in the games.

>> What if you withdraw between rounds--will you lose the next round's games?

> hmm, not sure in that case if it would mark the future games as lost or not but i think not because you wouldnt have an opponent yet.

Hopefully someone knows for certain. 

 

> Your rating is only affected if 4 moves or more have been made in the games.

Your rating is not impacted, but your win/loss ratio is. See the thread that I pointed to in my last post--someone was withdrawn by a TD then saddled with over a dozen losses. ;)

Yep, it is a little concerning if TD's can do that.. though thankfully i think it is in few cases and then it would be a matter of speaking to staff i reckon. I do understand the need to be able to remove someone in rare cases.

If no moves have been made however, it should not count as a loss impo.

Perhaps it could be changed so that anyone leaving or being withdrawn from a tourney, while not having made moves, that it count as aborted instead and therefore not count to the w/l ratio.

 

Pistoleer> Perhaps it could be changed so that anyone leaving or being withdrawn from a tourney, while not having made moves, that it count as aborted instead and therefore not count to the w/l ratio.

That would make sense. 

LF, If you play in the tournament and decide to drop out in the last couple rounds, if you let the director knwo ahead of time, typically you just end you event and they adjust teh pairings accordingly. No time forfeits.

 

Now, what I don't like is those who don't show up for an event and are registered to play. It happens in the last round a lot. Your opponent doesn't show, you have to sit and let 1 hour elapse on teh clock... and no rating adjustment is in your favor. I think The game should be rated and you gain 2X more points while your opponent loses. This shoudl curtail the propagation of such activity.

If you beat someone in 4 moves what happens?

Their mother brings them a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Blunderprone, yes, that's how it works in the real world! I entered a chess.com tournament but am considering withdrawing and wanted to double-check this site wouldn't adjudicate all my next round games as lost! Maybe I will simply ping the "virtual" TD directly as I would in an offline tournament.

grensley, Loomis - Aye, that! And on chess.com you don't gain any rating points for extremely short wins, the last time I checked.

Here's another angle on withdrawing.

Since tournaments have been introduced I've found myself playing more games than usual on chess.com ... anything from 20-40 at a time ... and have been enjoying it very much.  As a gold member I am permitted to play in 10 tournaments at a time.  It sounds like a lot but there aren't so many games involved.

Of my ten tournaments I have 17 games still current as I wait for the slower players to complete their games.  (This is not a complaint against slow play; anybody is entitled to use as much of their allocated time as they choose.) 

So my 10 tournaments had starting dates from April 14 to May 10 and some of them are only 50-60% completed. There's no indication when they will finish, and even though I may have completed all my games in some tournaments I am still deemed to be playing in them because other games are still alive.

Multi-level tournaments are worse, of course, because they carry the promise of future delays that may stretch on until Christmas (or even St. Patrick's Day, Pistoleer). 

So my alternatives are 1. wait patiently and play no more tournaments in the forseeable future; 2 pay an additional $50 for platinum membership; or 3. drop out of some tourneys (those in which all my games have been completed) so I can keep playing in others.

Whether I run out of patience and withdraw or not I've made up my mind about one thing:  no more multi-stage tournaments for Dozy.

Good point mate. Hmm, it has been nagging at me that in some tournies most people are finished their games in round 1 (as ye say) but everyone has to wait for all games to finish even if the remaining games have no bearing on the end results (the players left could not qualify due to their points anyway)

Perhaps the code could be tweaked so that in the case of games remaining in a group that will not effect the player/s going to the next round - that the next round can begin anyway...?

 That way no one is held up and the slower players can finish their game at their leisure.

When people like Dozy, feel they may have to withdraw or not play in such tournies, im tempted (when im a TD) to withdraw those few remaining players who are essentially making the all the other players wait, even though their games wont impact on the next round... (i dont want to withdraw anyone and likely wont, but it does seem inefficient and has potentially large effects on quick players as Dozy has outlined.

(eg in a 3 day tourney, 2 players could hold up 30 other players, moving once every 3 days for weeks...   honestly - that is daft.)

edit - or perhaps a manual option for TD's to start the 2nd round and "push" the winners there, leaving the remaing few to finish, as their result wont matter anyway.

you should ask jay :) i don't know what happens...

Thanks, Erik. I'll ping Jay.

Just had another thought, following my idesa in post 13 - perhaps ye could make it so that if TD's withdraw a player from a tourney they are withdrawn but the games they had going in that tourney are not "resigned" but instead kept going but no longer linked to the group.. so that the rest of the tourney could continue on.

As it turns out my problem above was easily solved.  I went platinum.  Now I can play in as many tournaments as I like.

If I divide the annual $80 fee by the number of hours I spend on here each week it doesn't seem like much.  It's the cheapest entertainment I've had since my mother attached a rattle to my cot.

:D amen Dozy! That was my reckoning too heh.