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North Carolina, USA vs Team Washington

North Carolina, USA Won the Match!
  • Game Type: Standard Chess   Registration Open: Jun 21, 2012
    Players Per Team: 20   Finished On: Nov 22, 2012
    Days per Move: 3 days   Rated: Yes
    Rating Range: Open  
    Starting Position: Standard
    1 simultaneous game
#   North Carolina, USA    Team Washington   
1 bbwolf1 (1969) 0View | View2 Dietmar (2120)
2 WesternNCScottyB (1928) 0View | View2 WilliamSchill (2340)
3 ncmike2011 (1913) 1View | View1 beowulframa (1734)
4 MyRook (1787) 0View | View2 akdog3 (1948)
5 twesque (1846) 2View | View0 ForteD (2020)
6 MaxxLange (1914) 1.5View | View0.5 franktek150 (1901)
7 chopwood (1933) 0View | View2 TheMathProf (1849)
8 twinphoenix (1935) 2View | View0 gar_mdkelly (1870)
9 londonfog (1881) 2View | View0 shoogieshoog (1583)
10 -BEES- (1919) 1.5View | View0.5 CYC0MIKO (1645)
11 jjuggler (1808) 1.5View | View0.5 griffonage (1397)
12 Dan-Faries (1220) 2View | View0 Horseman_61 (1529)
13 bigdaddy4391 (1468) 1View | View1 ktkm (1736)
14 superchef1028 (1505) 0.5View | View1.5 ekstrong (1310)
15 Antinthesand (1585) 1View | View1 Huninmunin (1540)
16 ChuckBurch (1497) 1View | View1 marcel3405 (1470)
17 Solidanimal (1323) 0.5View | View1.5 Hargrove (1500)
18 TREVCAT (1288) 0View | View2 RoyEvan23 (1580)
19 richard4645 (1289) 2View | View0 Cappellan (1147)
20 dl_leonine (1835) 2View | View0 zhubin (1302)
WINNER!= 21.5 = 18.5

Comments


  • 2 years ago

    TREVCAT

    great job team N.C.!! Cool

  • 2 years ago

    Dietmar

    Congratulations to North Carolina for scoring the necessary point! It has been a good match and hopefully we will be able to turn the tables in our next encounter next month.

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    Dietmar and Washington - no matters what happens here, good fellowship, good skill, and good sportsmanship - look forward to our league game with you if we make it - Chuck

  • 2 years ago

    Dietmar

    The gap is narrowing but it may not be enough ...

  • 2 years ago

    TheMathProf

    OK, Team Washington, rally caps time!

  • 2 years ago

    dl_leonine

    Sorry zhubin, I wasn't too happy about the pairing either, but I didn't think about that when I joined the match.  I really should have abstained.

    You played well though...

  • 2 years ago

    Dietmar

    You were unlucky enough to face a fairly new member to the site ...

    The only way to prevent that is to set a minimum number of games requirement (which is now possible - it wasn't earlier). Of course, that means for any new member that they would have to play 20 Let's Play games first before their rating becomes somewhat established ...

  • 2 years ago

    zhubin

    Wow! How did I end up with an opponent rated nearly 600 pts above me?

  • 2 years ago

    Dietmar

    Chuck, I am not that important. My effort is limited to my team and the US Chess League but not to the inner workings of chess.com aside from putting forward my occasional suggestions. From my experience, the staff is always open for ideas how to make the site better. For that particular case, while I don't see too many downsides to it my guess is that chess.com would be hesitant to make this an option.

    I am trying to think of some analogies that would fit. Let's take an example from Track and Field as the Olympics are currently on. Let's take long jump. One athlet jumps by far the furthest. Unfortunately, in every one of his attempts he steps over the line by a fraction of an inch making the jump void. His overall jump is still the best yet he would be disqualified. There would be no discussion that the athlet having the longest jump within the rules would be the winner even if he thought he wasn't the best.

    One thing to keep in mind is that there will always be some folks that will find a way to abuse such suggestions. I am both pleased and impressed that within the State-State competition the percentage of closed accounts due to cheating is far lower than the average and that by-and-large we had very few disputes to settle.

    Even in cases like this where someone may earn an extra half or full point that wasn't fully deserved because of a timeout it will equalize over time. There are too many other factors not as obviously apparent that influence the outcome of a game. Be in work stress, family stress or health situations. When I won and drew a couple of years back my mini match against FM Kacparov does it mean I deserved the win or I am better? No. It simply meant that the fact that he was playing a 1000 games at the same time was enough of a handicap to compensate my weaker playing skills. If we would play under equal conditions he would wipe me off the board. That point I am trying make is that any kind of chess played on the internet is played under uneven conditions which means that not always the better player wins in any individual game. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. It is simply the nature of that particular setting. Still, it brings tons of enjoyment and camaraderie. So as long as everybody is comfortable with him/herself and gives its best, honest effort I think the world is alright. Still, it doesn't hurt to make suggestions to chess.com. The worst that can happen is that they say no.

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    * this

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    * Important

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    Evan - agree most complete - in some games, have been losing very badly, my opponent is getting ready to time out - have pushed the resign when my opponent has 1 minute left - at the end of the day, did you deserve the game? I will not take a win I did not earn - Dietmar, you are an importnat man on his site, should we bring up the suggestion to Staff as an enhancement?      

  • 2 years ago

    RoyEvan23

    It would be nice if the person who wins because the other person times out, had the option of changing the win to a draw. I know I do not like taking credit for a win in thses circumstances. If the game is pretty even in these cases, the winner should have the option of making it a draw instead.

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    Dietmar / TheMathProf - great conversation and good perspectives. I agree with your thoughts on vacation. However, there are planned outages and unplanned outages. My thought process was Trev timed out and lost - he felt bad about it - I timed out and got a reprieve.To be fair to him - we should have suffered the same fate-  That is what drove my position - TheMathProf makes a great point - all things equal - should be decided on the board - will do so in the future -  Chuck   

  • 2 years ago

    TheMathProf

    I'll agree with Dietmar.  I think most of the players on Team Washington would much rather see things decided on the board than off the board, even if that means a worse result for us.

  • 2 years ago

    Dietmar

    Chuck, I regret your decision to resign the game. It is a noble gesture but It essentially makes the vacation feature pointless because no player could ever go on vacation if he has any games going. But if he doesn't have any games going then he doesn't need any vacation either. It is one thing to abuse vacation to drag out a losing position but I don't think too many folks have an issue when a player has to pause his/her games to tend to the things that life brings along.

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    Marcel - I look forward to our next game - we should not be held to different standards - I was not at the table when I should have been - Chuck

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    Dietmar - thank you - in my three years @ this site - Have never ever timed out - tough times right now - will get through it - must do right for the team and the game - I appreciate your kindness - Chuck

  • 2 years ago

    Dietmar

    Chuck, no need to resign as otherwise I would have to do the same. Vacation is one of the things that are part of chess.com. In sanctioned Correspondence chess the times/move are much longer to allow for vacations, illnesses, and whatever else life throws you. While 3d/move sounds long all it takes is a long weekend getaway, a business trip, or a small illness to get past that. Very much appreciate your sense of fairness  but there is no reason to be tougher on yourself than necessary. I am sure Marcel feels the same and wouldn't want to have a point handed without earning it on the board ...

  • 2 years ago

    ChuckBurch

    Marcel - a good opponent - I have been triggered to auto vacation because I am a premire member  - while that is a nice feature - you must ask the question - is it fair?  One must determine for themselves. Missed my move - a lot going on in my life right now -  a nice game - at this point up for grabs - it is your call - If you request resign, will do - if not, I will move - Chuck     

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