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Women's Championship Complaints: FIDE And Turkey Respond

  • SonofPearl
  • on Fri, 2/11/2011 1:40pm.

Without wishing to overdose on the open letters that chess players and organisations appear so fond of, it seems only fair to publish the official responses to the complaints raised by some of the competitors at the recently held Womens' World Championships in Turkey.

The complaints about conditions at the event were raised after the championship in an open letter signed by a number of the players, as reported here.

FIDE responded to the letter first with an open letter which is reproduced below.  More recently, the Turkish organisers have now given a more detailed reply, which follows after the FIDE response.

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Dear fellow chess players,

With great surprise I read your letter of 14 January, signed by several players, concerning the conditions of the World Women's Championship 2010 in Antakya.

It is even more surprising that the main accusation, repeatedly mentioned, is that the organisers of the Turkish Chess Federation tried to make money by overcharging the players. I would like to remind that the organisers have provided the full prize fund of the event (450,000 USD) by taking on their own cost the 20% contribution to FIDE and not deducting it from the players. This means that a total of 90,000 USD was offered free to the players by the organisers. Each participant received a bonus starting from 750 USD (for the players who were eliminated in the first round) and reaching up to 12,000 USD (for the World Champion).

If the organisers wanted to "make more money", wouldn't they simply not offer this bonus? This is well known to all the chess community and it is pretty strange to suggest that an organiser would first donate 90,000 USD to the players and then FIDE or the players should fight with the organisers if they make or not 15-20 euros per day from each hotel room. It is not fair to insult the Turkish Chess Federation, which has showed so much support by organising many top women events with big prize funds and good conditions (Women's Grand-Prix, European Championships, Women's World Championship). Furthermore it is also not fair for the organisers to be treated like this by certain players, when at the same time we hope for more sponsorship money in women's chess and larger prize funds in the future.

A letter with a different and positive attitude, which would first acknowledge the efforts up to now of the Turkish Chess Federation and then suggest possible improvements, would have been much more appreciated and not create such a negative image for our organisers and sponsors.

Concerning the other accusations about the conditions of the latest Women's World Championship, they are simply not accurate in most of its content. The hotel was a good four-star hotel, and after the first game all the other rounds were held within the hotel, so the players avoided any travel before the games. The front road was asphalted and only the side roads were not asphalted as the area of the hotel is a developing suburb. In all cases, the roads were not dirty as your letter suggests. The center of the city was within a four-minute taxi ride without traffic, and some participants even walked the distance. A park was right next to the hotel for anyone who wished to have a walk nearby. There were not any problems with the air conditions outside of the hotel nor with the air-conditioning of the hotel itself. Obviously, if there were really such problems, they would have been noticed at the event, as the games were played for almost 25 days! Furthermore, no player asked the organisers or the FIDE officials to change her room, not even for noise problems as your letter suggests.

The only issue which was addressed by the players after the first round was the quantity of the food portions. From the second round this had significantly improved, very much because of the efforts and pressure of the organisers to the hotel management. In all events such minor problems may occur and the organisers in Antakya were very quick in resolving them.

I would also like to remind that many participants in Nalchik 2008 were in a hurry to complain for the location of that event and afterwards the players appreciated FIDE and the local organisers for the high level of that championship. FIDE will take into consideration your proposals for the future, as it always listens to the views of the players, but the distribution of such "open letters" does not help in attracting sponsors for women's chess.

By this letter, FIDE re-establishes the true facts about the last Women's World Championship in Antakya and we would like to thank once more the Turkish Chess Federation for its continuous support to women's chess events.

Best regards,

Georgios Makropoulos
FIDE Deputy President

 

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Dear Friends,

No doubt  you remember the open letter published by several of the players who participated in the Women’s World Championship organised in Antakya, December 2010.

We did not  comment on it until now. We have been waiting for FIDE’s response - the comment of the FIDE Presidential Board last week. First of all, I want to thank the many players who participated  in the event and who contacted me to say that they totally disagree with the content of the letter. Also, I want to express my sincere gratitude to Mr. Makropoulos for his excellent answer.

I want to share with you FIDE minutes for this issue. In Antalya the FIDE Presidential Board made the following observation:

Open letter issue

FIDE’s position has been clearly expressed by the letter of Deputy President G. Makropoulos. The Presidential Board is totally standing behind Turkish Chess Federation in this respect.

I will start my comments by mentioning what we have done in the last four years, investing in women’s chess. We started the Atatürk Memorial in 2008, and it became the FIDE Women’s Grand Prix in 2009. We have organized the ACP Women’s World Cup, women’s round robin tournaments, the Women’s World Championship and more. This year we will organize the World Women’s Team Championship, and next year the European Women’s Individual Championship. If the European Chess Union makes the logical decision, we are still ready to organize it this year, with the highest prize fund ever. Also in 2011 and 2012, we will organize two legs of the new FIDE Women’s Grand Prix.

Why?

Because, the Turkish Chess Federation has made a strategic decision to invest in women’s chess. This is the first thing I want to underline before I go into detail about the open letter.

The second issue is that my federation is a very active federation and experienced in international chess organization. We are like a factory, organizing every year a lot of European or world events and many other international events. I am so happy to reach this point of chess development, since I have played a big role in this over the last six years. Honestly, I should mention that it is very normal to make mistakes when you produce something. We remember our mistakes, and we try to reduce them every time we organize a new event. But, concerning this event in Antakya, the allegations made by the 18 players who signed the Open Letter are more than exaggerated. Why?

I was present full time during the Women’s World Championship. I followed everything and tried to ensure that all our guests’ needs were met by the organization. Also, as normal, I followed the international media for news of the event. I could not follow the Chinese media, for reasons of language, but apart from that, I can say that I got all the news, especially from Russian web sites. Why I am telling you this now? Because I will give you some examples that you may not have seen.

Let us now go through the open letter item by item:

Price of hotel:

Players say that the price of the hotel is very expensive!

I really cannot understand  this issue. We bid for the organization of an event, we make our price offer and prize fund offer. We are granted (or not) the right to organize the event following FIDE’s competitive bidding procedure. Then a player comes and makes complaints. This is rubbing salt into the wound - we lost a lot of money on this event. It is not lost as an investment for the future, but  it shows red figures in our accounts. We paid exactly 110 € for each single room (full board) in Antakya. And 2.000 € per day to rent the hall we used during the event. We made 20 € profit each day for each single occupancy room used by the players!

Let us calculate approximately how many nights we sold:

5x80 + 4x40 + 4x22 + 4x12 + 4x8 + 5x6 = 762. Let us say 800 maximum. That makes 16.000 € for us in gross profit on room sales.

Now we paid 42.000 € for rent of the hall. The profit on the rooms does not cover the cost of the hall.

And there were at least 19 organization staff, including appeals, arbiters, TSF staff, journalists, etc. I do not mention the cost of their accommodation.

Indeed no need to go into so much detail; as Mr. Makropoulos mentioned in his official answer, we could have deducted FIDE taxes of 90.000 USD from the 450.000 USD prize fund, but we did not!

I am proud to say that we spent at least 100.000 € from our account for this world championship. I do not know if there is any other federation in the world that would make such an investment in women’s chess.

Raising this subject in an open letter seems to me to be simply bad manners!

When we come to the point about room prices quoted on the Internet, it is even more ridiculous. They do not have any idea about the hotel business. We all complain sometimes about the different prices paid for flight tickets in the same plane.  Hotels operate in a similar way, with a percentage (often 10%) of rooms offered cheaply on the Internet. When you purchase a room on the Internet, you usually get only a bed, with breakfast sometimes, if you are lucky. But when you organize a chess event in a hotel, you book everything. It means you have to cover not just the rooms, but halls, restaurant, lights, overheads, extra staff, and you create a lot of overhead for the hotel. Do not forget that during an event, players play then arbiters, journalists, and others work through the night.

When you purchase a room on the Internet, you do so for 3, 4, 5 days, or maybe a week. The hotel still has rooms to sell in different classes (at higher rates). But when you organize something, you block book the hotel. Then they charge you more than the Internet offer price. And our price here is not bed and breakfast, it includes lunch and dinner.

Also, do not forget that city hotels all over the world sell their halls for other activities; for meetings, weddings etc. This is what we faced there in reality. What the players claim is unfair!

Transportation Cost from Airport:

The players say that we charged them more than the cost of a taxi from airport. In the most simplistic sense, this is true, but ... When you fly anywhere in the world, you may get a taxi; there is usually a line of them waiting outside the airport arrival terminal. You go to the taxi queue, wait your turn, open the door, get in and off you go. But we met all players at the airport, our staff helped them and they did not have to wait in line or cope with language difficulties. More than half the players,  including some who signed the letter, returned back at three or four o’clock in the morning, again with some of our  people helping them (a taxi would cost 50% more). For us it is clear; we did not profit from this, but we covered our expenses for the staff allocated to this service. I do not mind if an organizer chooses to make a profit on this, but we did not.

Taxis would have been much more inconvenient for the players, and more expensive for some of them. Anyway, they were free to choose to take a taxi if they wanted to, so why did they not do so?

Registration fee (or deposit): For us on one side we know that players are certain and they will come but when we book a room for a player or participant we commit to a no-show cost. Therefore, we get a deposit of 100 € so that if the person does not come, the no-show fee is at least partly covered. We just do not understand why this is an issue. There is no charge for any player here – they all turned up, so the deposits were offset against their accommodation cost!

The Prize Fund:

They say that the prize fund remained unchanged from 2001. In 2001 the prize fund was 450.000 USD – 90.000 USD = 360.000 USD net for the players. Our “unchanged” prize fund of 450.000 USD – 0 USD = 450.000 USD distributed to the players. Personally, I see that as a 25% increase, the players receiving in their pockets 90.000 USD more than the 360.000 USD they got before.

Hotel Conditions:

Dirty and noisy road?  The road in front of the hotel is a normal asphalt road. Here is the photo gallery from the hotel.

Also I add here view from Google Earth. As you see, there is a park, the asphalt road and it is not far from the city.

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Some of the things published on the Internet about the venue, especially on Twitter by a famous player who signed this open letter, were simply rubbish. She stated that the venue is 40 minutes away from the hotel, and that the hotel is very far from the city centre. The real distance, captured from Google Earth, is exactly 3.0 km. I am sure she could walk this distance in much less than 45 minutes.

Many players chose to walk into the city centre. Alternatively, you could get a taxi (cost 2-3 €) and be in the centre in five minutes (of course, longer if you go during the rush-hour).  So why did some  players say that the hotel was in the middle of nowhere? Ridiculous!

Only the first game of the first round was played in the Archaeological Museum in Antakya. The second game, and tie-breaks of the first round were played in the hotel; I guess not 45 minutes but probably 45 seconds away from her room.

Also, they fail to understand the importance of playing in a venue such as the museum, just once in their life, for the sake of women’s chess. Sure the conditions there were not perfect, but all should know that we try to advertise women’s chess, to promote it and to get more sponsors. It was fantastic that many TV channels in Turkey showed pictures from there. Is that not good for chess promotion? The sponsors and municipality  spend many thousands of Euros to promote their city. Almost  all sporting events are a vehicle for tourism. We should understand that we, as chess people, can not have everything we would wish for. By using the museum, the Turkish Promotion Committee (connected to the Prime Minister) allocated 100.000 € to the municipality. It really pains me that I need to explain such things about  the difficulties of collecting such a large prize fund and budget to promote women’s chess.

Other things:

You may ask me, why did they do all this? I have asked myself the same question many times. My possible answers are below.

  • Finding a reason for your own failure, when a great nation behind you awaits a good result. (Please check the signers; none of them qualified for the quarter finals)

  • Unfair!

I am sure none of them are against the TSF (I want to believe this). I also believe that it was not a deliberate attempt to make it more difficult for future organizers to raise the necessary funding, but I fear that will be the result.

You may say that maybe they want to improve the conditions of their profession. If so, then ...

  • Why did they not contact me? I was there throughout.

  • Why did they launch this open letter out of the blue?

  • Why did the chairperson of the FIDE Women’s Commission send this letter to the Presidential Board, even though her commission members did not agree with her?

  • Why are all the finalists, the semi-finalists and the quarter-finalists absent from the signatories?

Conclusion:

As TSF, we are not a one-off organizer for an event. In 2011 alone, we will organize the World Women’s Team Championship, the World Amateur, the World Under 16 Youth Olympiad, the European School Chess Championships, and still, perhaps, the European Individual Women’s Championship.

Sure, we make mistakes, but first we would be very happy to receive criticism during the event, so that there is a chance to improve or correct any failings. Such attacks as this Open Letter, will achieve only one thing. The Antakya municipality is investing in chess like many local authorities in Turkey. This is not fair to them, and to us, after such a huge sum of money has been spent on this excellent organization. Considering the ongoing effects of the global financial crisis, it will be very difficult to find more money for prize funds in future. We say in Turkish, don’t cut the branch of the tree you are sitting on!

The only good part of this painful incident is that it was only those players who had an unsuccessful, or even downright bad result who were involved.

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  • 12 months ago

    F22Raptor

    And as for the talk about them not caring about winning would you say an athlete doesnt care about winning because he is a millionare? yes they do care!

  • 12 months ago

    F22Raptor

    like everything else even the most popular equal chance game on earth it all comes down to money. Lets me just remark about the way that four star hotels came into this converstion as surpriseing yet in the same way not surpriseing

  • 15 months ago

    versalieri

    They should try playing such an event here in Lebanon.. Instead of deducting the 90000 $, they would deduct the 360000 $ (and possibly write it off as miscellaneous expenses). Then, after deducting the traditional tax percentage from whatever remains, the rest would be used to organise the entire event, possibly with a whopping 7000 $ prize fund. And it would be one of the biggest prize funds that made it through!!

    It was once foretold that many years ago, almost four or five maybe, we had a prize fund of 12500 $, with 67 players to ''accommodate'', three arbiters, one guy who passes as staff, one very shiny ''organizer'', and another person who's sole responsibility is to write off each player's name when the player receives his tea cup -most probably, this is what sank us into the red-. That was a great year... Of course, I don't believe for a second that the original funding was anything less than 100000 $. These guys won't move their *&^^&% for anything less.
     

  • 16 months ago

    NM Reb

    Americans need to understand that hotels in Europe are MORE expensive than hotels in the USA.  However, even given this fact I doubt you can get a room in any US 4 star hotel for 65 bucks a night......  I come from a small town in Georgia (USA) and the best hotel there is more than $70. a night and I am not even sure if its 4 star or not. Even in the US it depends a lot on where you are.... the hotel prices. Try to get a room in a 4 star hotel in NYC and see what it runs you .  Surprised

  • 16 months ago

    WilsonYiuWahWong

    Valid points addressed with concrete evidence.

  • 16 months ago

    amitprabhale

    "Finding a reason for your own failure, when a great nation behind you awaits a good result. (Please check the signers; none of them qualified for the quarter finals)" - Nice Quote
  • 16 months ago

    esm1999

    Something really doesn't smell right.  I simply can't believe that the organizers were paying 2,000 EUR per day for the ballroom (for a maximum of 64 players -- and fewer and fewer players as time went on), and an additional 2x markup for blocked rooms, for what is obviously a medicore hotel in an underdeveloped part of the city.  See the section on hotel contracts in the following brochure:

    http://main.uschess.org/images/stories/scholastic_chess_resources/howtobidonuscfevent.pdf

     

    Obviously I don't know the truth, but I am suspicious of the organizer's budgetary claims.

  • 16 months ago

    dave_9990

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  • 16 months ago

    _valentin_

    NrthrnKnght:  Apparently the players raised the concern about the food portions, and it was promptly addressed.  For the rest of the concerns, the Turkish organizers don't indicate that they knew about them at all, until they read the open letter.  For some, they might have known/predicted, but it was part of the plan all along (e.g., the taxi situation, the hotel markup of 20 EUR/night, etc.).  So, in many ways, the story presented by the organizers is more complete than what we read before from the players. 

    This, of course, indicates that the organizers could have done a better job themselves communicating to the players what the base rules are and what to expect, rather than have that blow up in their faces as a result of difference between expectations (unrealistic, perhaps) by the players and the reality they found when they arrived.

    In any case, hurting or breaking a relationship for past concerns that can't be remedied any more seems like the wrong thing to do from a long-term perspective -- the players can only hurt themselves in having fewer events that the host is willing to organize in the future.  So, even if it wasn't ideal conditions, it sounds markedly better than the less attractive or non-existing alternatives, don't they think?

  • 16 months ago

    NrthrnKnght

    OK all you nay sayers.Lets all assume they didnt write this "open" letter.What would change?Would the organizers have done anything about the player concerns.I get the feeling they raised these concerns before ,during, and after the event only to get stonewalled!!I would really like it if only one of the 18-19 players would come out and say if this happened.An open letter is an act of people who have tried all else and failed.I would think that they did try and now they said ..ok we have to go public.

  • 16 months ago

    fritzel

    Next time hold an event in the Philippines. Everything is cheap here.Laughing

  • 16 months ago

    _valentin_

    These days FIDE isn't on the right side of anything very often, but this time I think the FIDE spokesperson wrote an excellent response letter, reaffirming the commitment and relationship to both women's chess and the Turkish Federation.

     

    It is indeed quite painful as an organizer to not hear about problems during the event itself and have a chance to correct them, but to read in an open letter allegations that are apparently taking things significantly out of context.  The response from the Turkish Chess Federation sounded quite grounded in reality and economics (after all, they had to produce the prize fund, which is all about economics and payoff), but also in their extremely good will toward organizing chess events with decent sponsorships, especially for women. 

    So, I agree with the Turkish Chess Federation that signing an open letter of complaints like we saw before is akin cutting the branch of the tree that women's chess has been enjoying lately.  Now, if I were one of the signers, I would seriously consider responding to amend the strained relationship as soon as possible.

  • 16 months ago

    BrockSamson

    Sorry to break it to you ladies, but nobody cares about woman's anything.  You should be happy they even organized an event and are considering organizing another one after all that BS.  

    "Why are all the finalists, the semi-finalists and the quarter-finalists absent from the signatories?" - Because the only people upset are LOSERS!

  • 16 months ago

    sittingpawn

    I guess you can't please everyone. It's this anti-establishment mentality that's jading people today. The idea that an organization would like to make a profit is considered bad, all the while the participants want to make more money then they started the tourny with. Hypocritical? In the end, maybe they'd just prefer to not have any tournament held, then nobody makes a profit either way, sound fair?

    I'd be more impressed with the letter signed by these participants if they had 80% maybe even as low as 60% of the participants involved. Then there would be some credibility but it sounds to me like a bunch of friends got together in an unhappy state and began to embellish minor nuisances and fabricate controversy to the point that they believed it. 

    Was anyone on this website there? Can someone close to the situation comment on the open letters?

  • 16 months ago

    blitzmaniac

    whats the truth!? players should have raised the problems in the hotel

    during the competition itself....

    Im eagerly waiting for the players response now...its a kinda funWink

  • 16 months ago

    lukomorets

    One thing I do not understand: No problem with air conditioning? What is the matter with all those pictures of Chiburdanidze in fur coat?

  • 16 months ago

    leo5

    I'm quite fit, but I can't walk 3km in 45mins. Unless I'm competing :)

  • 16 months ago

    NrthrnKnght

    110 euros for a single and 2000 euros for the playing hall??!! Are you kidding me!! I could have in a 4 star 65$ single and 750$ for the playing hall plus cheaper taxi,better restaurants and night clubs and parks with beltway paths for walking all located in beautiful downtown Lewiston Idaho.Rivers ,mountains and the Hells canyon tours by jet boat.Twice the prize fund for players.Contact me,no joke.Google it you will see.

  • 16 months ago

    pdela

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  • 16 months ago

    EsenyM

    I'm in Fide and TCF side,those players who complaint seem not right and mature The organizer didn't even deduct the Fide taxes which is 45K USD and distrubuted to the players. I think you should be constructive when some cities,organizers invest in women chess by setting up big championship with a big prizes.Most complaints are very silly such as hotel location,road noise,hotel cost,transportation etc.then why don't you join tournaments only taken place in centerof New york city,London,Paris,Sidney where very convenient for you(actually hotel prices and every other costs  are triple than what you paid in Antakya)

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