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Blackmar-Diemer Gambit: Ryder Gambit

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  • 13 months ago

    satxusa

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  • 3 years ago

    felixbb

    In the Ryder Gambit, Black is a clear pawn up. Please, read my analysis and show me where I went wrong.

  • 3 years ago

    stankwagon

    I disagree that in some variations black is just a " clean" pawn up. In no variation of the BDG is black up a clean pawn. You have to remember that white gave up that pawn for a reason, and that reason is open lines. This to my mind is not a dynamic advantage that will go away, but something that will haunt black for the rest of the game. 

  • 3 years ago

    daxternator

    good for white

  • 3 years ago

    pauix

    I normally treat the French or the Caro with capturing the d5 pawn and pushing c2-c4 after black recaptures (Panov-Botvinnik in the Caro-Kann/Monte Carlo in the French),  and I still haven't faced the Nimzo.

    And, if I play 1.e4, is because I'm familiar with some Sicilian lines, I love the King's Gambit and I don't have any problem if I have to face the Alekhine.

  • 3 years ago

    felixbb

    The other option is to play both the BDG with White and the Scandinavian with Black! Anyway, why don't you just play 1.d4 at the first place? There will be no Scandinavian  after it!


    But it is important to remember that White can TRY to transpose to the BDG. White players also need to understand some theory about:

    1) The French : 1.d4 d5 2.e4 e6

    The Alapine gambit is quite risky (3.Be3) and it may not be the best choice to get the initiative.

    2) The Caro-Kann : 1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6

    3) The Nimzovitch: 1.d4 d5 2.e4 Nc6

  • 3 years ago

    pauix

    @GM74 Me too. I took up this opening because I hate the Scandinavian. Now I continue playing it becasue I love it!

  • 3 years ago

    GM74

    i transpose into blackmar diemer gambit if i see the scandivanian

  • 3 years ago

    felixbb

    BDG is a very good opening but the Ryder Gambit just doesn't work trust me. It's taking too many risk for almost nothing.

    1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 Qxd4 6.Be3 Qg4! and now Black is just a clear pawn up. For example, and I think this is the main line, it can follows:

    7. Qf2 (This move shows that White juste lost the initiative with a pawn down.) e5! and there are many choices for White,

    8.a3 Nc6 9.Nf3 Bd6 10.0-0-0 Qe6 11.Ng5 Qe7 12.Bc4 0-0 and Black is a clear pawn up and has no weakness.

    8.Nf3 Bb4 9.Nxe5 Qe4 10.Nc4 Bxc3+ 11.bxc3 Be6 maybe the best line for White, though the double c pawns are weak.

    8.Be2 Qf5! and Black will trade queens after 0-0-0 for White.

    8.Bd3 Bb4 9.Nge2 e4! 10.Bc4 Be6 11.Bxe6 Qxe6 and again Black is a pawn up for nothing.

    So if you still want to play the Ryder Gambit I suggest that you play the 8.Nf3 line but as you saw, it is Black who has the initiative, the material advantage and the positional advantage.

  • 4 years ago

    pauix

    I love it!

    It holds a very nice trap, and it's % of white wins is so high...


    Edited: The Halosar Trap isn't 8...Bxf3?? 9.Nxc7# or I discovered a faster mate? 


  • 4 years ago

    leonose14

    What a spectacular line. I just played a game with it and ended up destroying. You can tell not many people are comfortable with this gambit.

  • 5 years ago

    QuintessentialChess

    The best opening out there.

  • 5 years ago

    percivalfox

    1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 Qxd4 6.Be3 Qb3 7.O-O-O Bg4 8.Nb5 Qa5 9.Qxb7 Bxd1 10.Qc8#

    Use that line versus amateurs and you'll be astounded of how many fall for it, there are even numerous games of 2200+ rated players who faced a similar checkmate following that opening after move 15 or 20... A nice surprising weapon to finish your opponent off quickly =)...

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