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I'm probably only an intermediate player at best, but I have found this to be the most difficult endgame to master where a mate can be forced with best play by the defense, next to the two knight and king vs king and pawn scenerio (in limited situations). I'm very effective with mating in many endgame situations such as two bishops vs king, knight and bishop vs king and other scenerios, but this one has been tough for me to learn.
There were times I've pulled it off, but this was the result of poor play on my opponents part rather than pure technique on my end. You can have the pieces placed in various positions to start this endgame, and it can be tough to even get this endgame to a third rank defense scenerio from my experience, let alone the second rank defense. Many times the opposing rook will resort to perpetual checks to force a repetitive three move draw, or to keep my king from getting closer to their king.
I've practiced this endgame on chessmaster against grandmaster personalities, and it's not easy for me to get my pieces where they need to be. This is something that I guess I'll be trying to get better at, since I tend to have more endgame scenerios with a queen vs rook over the more easier ones. I don't get to play as often as I would like due to the lack of interest people have in chess where I live combined with long work hours.
ah i ran into this today in a live game and lost nice video
I think it was Walter Browne not Nigel Short that played it vs a computer. Nice video, very useful.
Such a great lesson! I love endgame studies - it's the best part of chess
Anyone else who found this lecture interesting should check my blog post on this subject - I played this against Houdini in January, Houdini mashes me to checkmate in just 9 moves, and after about 6h of playing with the queen, I finally managed to capture Houdini's rook on move 50!!
I haven't practiced this though since April so I think I'll be a bit rusty lol
Ha at the end the name is wrong!!:D
Nice Queen V.S Rook video!
Nice video, and good idea to practice this against a computer. However, the computer, even at the Expert level keeps putting the rook on undefended squares right at the beginning
Great video. thanks.
There's an article about this defence in "Šahovski Glasnik" No. 5-6/1953. p. 186. So much about a very strong computer "inventing" it.
by GM Josh Friedel
GM Josh Friedel makes it look easy today! Breaking down black's toughest defense (the "3rd Rank Defense") with style! The Queen vs Rook Endgame "evolved" and became much harder to win once computers figured out this approach, even stumping Super GM Nigel Short once or twice! But Josh explains the key thing to understand about this puzzle, and recommends using our Computer Tools to practice it yourself!
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GM Josh Friedel
Josh grew up in New Hampshire under the tutelage of NM Hal Terrie. He never improved very fast, but he never stopped either. At this date, Josh has passed 2500 fide and earned the GM title. In 2008, Josh had several strong results in top US events: shared fourth in the US Champs (last GM norm), shared fourth in the Chicago Open, shared first in the National Open, and second in the Continental Championship.
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