Q&A - Evolution, the Bible, and Creation

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tbwp10 wrote:

How so?

The scientists can't figure it out.

They don't even know whether it was and invertebrate or not.

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The simple fact is I know Christians who don't believe the Bible is completely free of errors, yet are still professing Christians who believe in Christ's atoning death, resurrection, deity, etc.

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They've got problems.

God promised that He would preserve His word perfectly.

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JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
tbwp10 wrote:

How so?

The scientists can't figure it out.

They don't even know whether it was and invertebrate or not.

So what?   There are lots of things that doctors haven't figured out yet, but that does nothing to discredit what we do know.  

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JayHunterBrickwood wrote:

They've got problems.

God promised that He would preserve His word perfectly.

Well you are free to disagree with them and they with you, but it sounds like you all still believe in Christ's deity, atoning death and resurrection, which was and remains the defining mark of a Christian and the core, central beliefs from which Christianity arose and spread in the first century.

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tbwp10 wrote:
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:

Anyone that is a Christian does.

 

If anyone who claims to be a Christian disagrees with that, they're not actually a Christian.

Well I guess Paul, Peter, Jesus and the rest of the disciples and first century "Christian" believers weren't really Christians since the Bible hadn't even been assembled yet 

   That makes no sense

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Kjvav wrote:

If evolution (I presume you mean the theory) was the foundation of biology, there would have been no biology before the theory.

   The Bible is the Word of God

But not everyone believes that or is convinced of that

   The truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it.

True, but that doesn't mean your statement about the Bible is true.  You accept it on faith

    Yes, I accept the validity of Scripture on faith. I also say that I see no evidence to the contrary. 
    If you reject it, you reject it on faith also, or lack thereof if you’d rather. Your theory of evolution is no more than a theory, and if you need to repeat it to prove it, it will never be more than an ever changing theory. 
    But to bring it back full circle, the truth never changes.

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The point, once again, is that according to Christian belief, salvation is based on faith in Christ, not on one's doctrinal position on Scriptural inerrancy and inspiration 

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Kjvav wrote:
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Kjvav wrote:

If evolution (I presume you mean the theory) was the foundation of biology, there would have been no biology before the theory.

   The Bible is the Word of God

But not everyone believes that or is convinced of that

   The truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it.

True, but that doesn't mean your statement about the Bible is true.  You accept it on faith

    Yes, I accept the validity of Scripture on faith. I also say that I see no evidence to the contrary. 
    If you reject it, you reject it on faith also, or lack thereof if you’d rather. Your theory of evolution is no more than a theory, and if you need to repeat it to prove it, it will never be more than an ever changing theory. 
    But to bring it back full circle, the truth never changes.

There are many Christians who accept both evolution and Scripture.  Your "no more than a theory" comment also suggests that you don't understand what a scientific theory is.  It also shows that you are not truly aware of the scientific evidence for evolution--such as the scientific evidence we have that primates and humans share a common ancestor

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tbwp10 wrote:

The point, once again, is that according to Christian belief, salvation is based on faith in Christ, not on one's doctrinal position on Scriptural inerrancy and inspiration 

   Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein he stand;

   By which also ye are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

   For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures ;

   And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures :

   5 and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 

   After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

   With a shakey faith in the Scriptures, from whence cometh this “faith in Christ”? We learn of him in the Scriptures and if we don’t take the Scriptures at face value how do we have faith in the Christ it teaches of?

   Hebrews 6 says that the Word of God is the anchor of our faith. Without it I don’t see how someone can claim “faith in Christ, whom the Scriptures declare is the living Word of God.

   I can easily see how you could misunderstand something in Scripture and still be a believer, I suppose we (believers) all do or have done that. But if you see something written in the Scriptures and say “I see it, I understand it, it is what the Scriptures teach, but I don’t believe it, it’s because you’re not a believer.

   A firefighter fights fires, a race car driver drives race cars and a believer believes the Scriptures.

 

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The bottom line is that there is a wide range of belief among Christians when it comes to inerrancy and inspiration and a wide variety of belief when it comes to what those terms even mean and how they should be defined and while important none of that is a matter of salvation 

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If your point is belief in the Scriptures is not an issue of salvation, I disagree. Doubting the Word of God doesn’t produce faith in Christ. 

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You're entitled to your own opinion 

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“It is appointed to man once to die; and after this the Judgement.” 
    It’s based on Scripture. It doesn’t seem that denying Scripture is the mark of a believer.

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Now you're changing my words.  I stated my point in post #51.  You shouldn't read anything else into it.

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tbwp10 wrote:

The bottom line is that there is a wide range of belief among Christians when it comes to inerrancy and inspiration and a wide variety of belief when it comes to what those terms even mean and how they should be defined and while important none of that is a matter of salvation 

The narrow path is the correct one and few find it, and the wide path is the wrong one, and it's used by many.

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*Amen*

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There is only one correct belief in Christianity, anything else is wrong.

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Now you're changing my words.  I stated my point in post #51.  You shouldn't read anything else into it.

   I understand your point. It is that a believer needn’t believe all of the Scriptures. It is that which I am disagreeing with.

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JayHunterBrickwood wrote:

There is only one correct belief in Christianity, anything else is wrong.

And what would that "correct" belief be?  And which Christian denomination is the true and one and only true Christianity?