AlphaZero: Will People Treat Chess the Way they Treat Tic-Tac-Toe?


Well except at the highest levels of correspondence chess--players are now playing games with no errors.

So at this very highest level--chess might die out but this still leaves 99.9% of the players to enjoy chess.

Not me
Earth64 wrote:

Chess is a ornamental Skill , if anyone think playing sports will feed the world, that is terrible. Only fools disagree with me. 


#1. Chess is a martial art, the greatest in my opinion. Chess has its origin in war planning. There's nothing ornamental about it. A katana can be ornamental, but it can still decapitate you.

#2. The problem with the world is that people are fighting each other. That's the real problem, not resources.

Story time. Recently, I play chess with a Spanish speaking guy at my apartment's get together party. I captured his pawn en passant. He said I couldn't do that. I tried to explain to him the rules. I had him look up the rule with his I-phone (my cell phone only makes phone calls). I think it was en passo (or something like that in Spanish).

Then he said, "It doesn't apply in this case." (verbatim).

This is the fundamental problem with the world. Forget big stuff. This is IT. It's being able to speak the same language. It's being able to refer to an agreed upon standard or rule.

I played on with his rule. I won, but that's not the point.

Take the Dewey Decimal System. As far as I know in America, I can find the same book in any library in America. Even at home I put the Dewey Decimal System stickies on my books.

That is the problem with the world.



Earth64 wrote:

. . . if anyone think playing sports will feed the world, that is terrible. Only fools disagree with me. 

From life experience, sports is the greatest thing.

Sports teaches you rules. In ping-pong, there is a concept of "neighborhood rules". Every neighborhood have their own rules.

Trying to get people to follow a rule is the greatest achievement you can achieve. It will bring peace and prosperity beyond anything you can imagine.

The rules of martial arts in the Olympics are ridiculous.

Tae kwon do. The Way of Hand and Foot. But you can't punch to the face in the Olympics.

Boxing, you can punch the face, but you can't wrestle to the ground.

Wrestling, you can wrestle to the ground, but you cannot use submission holds,

Judo, you can use submission holds, but you can't kick and punch.

UFC/MMA, you can do anything those sports allow and more. It's closest to the original Greek Pancration.


From life experience, I see that people that don't play sports or practice an art, they don't know anything. There is nothing that governs them. They are not successes.

SeniorPatzer wrote:

Will people treat chess like the way they treat tic-tac-toe?

The first time I taught a lady chess, she said, "It's just a bigger version of tic-tac-toe." (verbatim).

SeniorPatzer wrote:

In other words, is this the "death" of chess?

I don't know if you know this. The Chessmaster series of computer programs were the most commercially successful program in the world.

It died.

Chess lived on.

AlphaZero (or whatever will die, chess will live on).

Da-Vere wrote:

Remember when Rubik’s Cube was all the rage?

I was 10 years old when I solved the Rubik's cube, all on my own, no books.

I was curious about its mechanism. I used a flathead screwdriver to take it apart. Then I put the pieces together again. When you put the pieces together again, you make to stick the middles first, because the corners will be standing in the air. That gave me an insight. The corners and middles can be moved independently. That's how I solved the Ruik's cube.

I can solve the Rubik's Cube within 1 hour.

I gave the Rubik's cube to my nephew when he was 10 years old. He went on YouTube and learned the algorithm. He can "solve" it within 5 minutes.

Many years later, he forgot the algorithm. He can't solve it.

I can still solve it within 1 hour.

He didn't solve it. He inherited the memory of someone who solved it. When that memory fades, it's gone.

I solved it, and I will never forget it. I solve it every time I solve it.


This is a 100% true story.

Little brother of a friend, 10 years old.

Me: So you're 10.

Him: Yes.

Me: Are you learning the multiplication table?

Him: Starting to.

Me: What's 9 x 2 ?

Him: We didn't get the nines yet. (verbatim)

That's what happens when you learn things by rote memory.


Let me give you some perspective, since you're all so crazy about computers.

I have Windows 7 on a big box computer. I don't have fancy tablet computers or anything. I don't have Kindle. I bought a couple of Kindle books.

Now Windows 7 can't read those Kindle books. I have to read it online (if I can afford real Internet again instead of $25 wi-fi per month).

We can still read Gilgamesh on clay tablets, while computer tablets are obsolete from 10 years ago.