I cannot recall now if this was ancient Greece or some other society, but there was a society in which court cases were decided by choosing between the options put forth by each side. This system ensured moderation in the proposals. So, for example, if I accuse someone of cheating and call for that player to be executed, and his entire family too, then my request will be denied even if the cheating is proven. A ban for life is likewise extreme. When I was the victim of cheating (oh, of course, over the board, wink, nod), by someone already banned once for cheating, I asked only that the game be rendered null and void. My solution made no mention of needles under finger nails or hot oil or water torture. Just end the game as if it had never happened. Yet even this was denied. So to answer the original question, no, emphatically no, not enough is being done. Oh, right, I meant over the board. Sure.
Are we doing enough to stop cheating?
Not doing anything close to enough. Puting the philosophy behind the August purge into practice as a standing policy and approach would be about right. A one time purge to placate the vocal anti-cheating proponents was far short of sufficient -- it needs to be sustained vigilance with deterrence at it's core.
well cheating at a tournament is the same as stealing money which should be punishable with jail time or something
Absolutly! Get caught cheating in a casino, whether it's cheating other players or the casino it's self, and you can get prison time. One guy got life after his third offense. Why should chess players be treated any different?
I don't mean to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered what legal authortity, if any, the casinos had to hold cheaters as prisoners (hostages), and even beat them. My guess is that this is not just in the movies, but also happened (and maybe still does) in real life, given how mobbed up some casinos seem to be.
I don't mean to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered what legal authority, if any, the casinos had to hold cheaters as prisoners (hostages), and even beat them. My guess is that this is not just in the movies, but also happened (and maybe still does) in real life, given how mobbed up some casinos seem to be.
That used to happen decades ago with no legal authority when the casinos were mob run. Now they don't beat you up, but you can be detained, and arrested.
Someone enlighten me.I am relatively new to Chess.com. I don't undestand how one cheats in an OTB game. I see it as a problem in only turn based games.
Andy
Um, on the down low, we have to say it's OTB to fly under the radar... We are not allowed to talk about the cheating that goes on here, so, sort of like a modern day Da Vinci code.
How exactly do you cheat at tournament chess?
I can only think of a few ways it would even be possible:
1) have some kind of electronics for communicating with someone who is using a computer to find the moves. Solution: don't let anyone have electronics of any kind on them inside the chess tournament room.
2) Having some visual way to communicate with someone in the audience who is using a computer to find the moves. Solution: Should be fairly obvious if someone is constantly looking up to the audience.
3) Pre-arranged outcome of the game. Solution: ?? I'm not sure how you'd really stop that one actually.
4) Breaking rules during chess. Solution: Make sure to have officials watching the matches closely.
That used to happen decades ago with no legal authority when the casinos were mob run. Now they don't beat you up, but you can be detained, and arrested.
What we need is an Ebony Mafia. Slightly tougher nerds to rough up pocket protectors and flick a nose in the skittles room.
Sounds almost like Bill Belicheck.
the way they cheated is explained close to the bottom of this page: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7094
the way they cheated is explained close to the bottom of this page: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7094
Seems easily solved with 1) no electronics in the game room and 2) only players currently involved in a game and any tournament officials. If people want to watch then put it on TVs in another room.
as for nos 1 how are you gonna seach for it as the gadet get smaller ?
Um, on the down low, we have to say it's OTB to fly under the radar... We are not allowed to talk about the cheating that goes on here, so, sort of like a modern day Da Vinci code.
what? me no understand.
To clarify for everyone, we are talking about "Over the Board" and "Tournament" chess -- not cheating on Chess.com! If you are cheating on Chess.com you are a bad person and should be ashamed ... But seriously, you should be!!!
In any case, this is great stuff guys! I think an official guideline of steps is a good idea Tim, though I am not sure I agree with the first one you laid out. Not harsh enough ... I think step 2 should be step 1...
You make some awesome references and very interesting comparisons to other sports, but I am not sure they are accurate analogies. Chess is SO different!!! For starters, physical sports always require a certain level/amount of "judgement calls" by the even the best referees/umpires because they are trying to "keep the game clean and fair" and "make the best call they can" but not dictate or play the game themselves. In chess, the rules are very clear and with NO GRAY AREAS in regards to what's cheating and what isn't.
Are there any gray areas of cheating in chess that I am unaware of, I don't think so... SO I loved your points, and they were good ones, but the more I thought about it, I felt that it didn't make total sense for this discussion...
I agree with everyone who made points about the harmfulness of a "false accusation". They really can destroy someone's reputation and career... so yeah, perhaps making it more clear within the FIDE guidelines of:
What they will do if they suspect someone... What steps will be taken to investigate... and if found guilty, what punishments (and in what steps/increments) will be imposed...Right?
I no cheat on chess.com. me not ashamed about anything. me good person.
to omertatao
ACEChess wrote:
"To clarify for everyone, we are talking about "Over the Board" and "Tournament" chess"
Did he get in any kind of trouble?
Did he get in any kind of trouble?
wows. all me has to say is it's a good thing no honey badgers are allowed in the playing halls. theys would cause a ruckus.
Something serious needs to be done... 100% agree with myrook. Ban for life!
Get caught cheating...gone! .....Ban for life! ....... A 2 year ban would only encourage cheaters to be more careful. Once caught, it's over for them any way!