Any Competitor to Monroi Chess?

  • #201

    I would refuse to play OTB against anyone using any electronic device.

  • #202
    klimski wrote:

    I would refuse to play OTB against anyone using any electronic device.

    If it's a FIDE approved device, you'll be forfieted. 

  • #203

    Couldn't the Monroi device be configured to send a bluetooth signal to a vibration-enabled watch/shoe or something else? Some of these tournaments have pretty good prize money.

    I agree they are pretty convenient, and the one time I used it (tournament-provided), it was cool for some of my friends to follow online. I do remember though that for a paper scoresheet person such as myself, it messed with my thought process enough that I wouldn't want to use it again.

  • #204

    The device would have to be modded to either have an engine or to send the moves to an external accomplice or device for any useful information to get back to you. 

  • #205

    I have the plycounter, and yes it makes things easier.  But im a paper and pen type of guy myself.  Somestimes easier isnt always the best way.

  • #206
    Martin_Stahl wrote:

    The device would have to be modded to either have an engine or to send the moves to an external accomplice or device for any useful information to get back to you. 

    Sure. The mod is probably "not cost effective" but it would make an interesting graduate thesis project, as a proof-of-concept.

    But - the moves are *already* being broadcast typically at Monroi.com. A scheme could be devised where the player is not simply playing computer chess, but rather that they agree ahead of time that maybe once or twice during the game the accomplices will deem it "important enough" to send information. And if they know the player well enough, they will know not to steer them into some stupid computer line, but rather something more "humany". Imagine if you will a "tactics trainer light" where when it comes in you need to think of the game as a TT exercise - and then how easy it probably is to "get it".

  • #207

    For the move broadcast, the site has to have special equipment and software. Now, getting the device to send the relay to something else and a way to get back suggestions would probably be easier.

  • #208

    Now that you mention it - it was at the National Open one year, and they offered me that I would use their (tournament-supplied) Monroi devices. So yeah, they probably had their IT department set it all up.

  • #209

    Monroi was solving a problem that did not exist.  I find this and like devices rather ridiculous.  Moreover, it's easy to disguise a small computer as one and cheat: how many players are really going to demand to see what you're using?  And how many TDs actually check? As cheating becomes more and more widespread (it seems), these are best banned and something used that has stood the test of time: a pen and paper.

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  • #211
    Eyechess wrote:

    Brian, I have had and used a Plycounter now for well over 5 months.  i have had no problems with it.

    In fact I find it easier to use and more reliable than the eNotate system that I had and used on 3 different Dell Axim devices.  Yes, the Dell Axims went kapow.  And the software even had a glitch in it at the end, with the newest version.  Alas, Sevan has passed away and I am sure there will be no improvements to that system.  I also think his widow has shut down his Chess businesses and I am strongly suspicious that it is no longer available.

    What glitch?

  • #212
    Spassky69 wrote:

    Monroi was solving a problem that did not exist.  I find this and like devices rather ridiculous.  Moreover, it's easy to disguise a small computer as one and cheat: how many players are really going to demand to see what you're using?  And how many TDs actually check? As cheating becomes more and more widespread (it seems), these are best banned and something used that has stood the test of time: a pen and paper.

    While its possible to disguise a small computer as one, I would not in any way, shape or form call it easy.  I've had both TDs and players ask to review the device, and I have always been happy to do so.  It would actually be fairly obvious if questionable activity were happening.

    I like the devices because of the easy transfer of games to a database after the tournament is complete.

  • #213
    ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

    Couldn't the Monroi device be configured to send a bluetooth signal to a vibration-enabled watch/shoe or something else? Some of these tournaments have pretty good prize money.

    I agree they are pretty convenient, and the one time I used it (tournament-provided), it was cool for some of my friends to follow online. I do remember though that for a paper scoresheet person such as myself, it messed with my thought process enough that I wouldn't want to use it again.

    Monroi doesn't use Bluetooth or WiFi.  It's on a separate signal.

  • #214
    Spassky69 wrote:

    Monroi was solving a problem that did not exist.  I find this and like devices rather ridiculous. 

    The practical value of these devices is without question.  Trying to say otherwise just makes you look out of touch.

    Of course, their use raises other issues of great concern to over the board chess players.

  • #215
    KBachler wrote:
    Eyechess wrote:

    Brian, I have had and used a Plycounter now for well over 5 months.  i have had no problems with it.

    In fact I find it easier to use and more reliable than the eNotate system that I had and used on 3 different Dell Axim devices.  Yes, the Dell Axims went kapow.  And the software even had a glitch in it at the end, with the newest version.  Alas, Sevan has passed away and I am sure there will be no improvements to that system.  I also think his widow has shut down his Chess businesses and I am strongly suspicious that it is no longer available.

    What glitch?

    During the post mortem and playing the game score back, the program would freeze at an arbitrary point and not proceed giving any further moves on the device.  It did not always happen and it never happened at the same move or place in the game.  However it happened enough to be quite annoying.

    This was a definite software flaw as I tried it on 2 different devices with the same program iteration.  And happened consistently at the same point in the same game at all times.  It did not matter if I rebooted the device, re-saved the pgn and tried again or anything.

    I had talked with Sevan about the problem 3 or 4 times, so he knew about it.  His response was that it was indeed a glitch in the software.  I even sent him the pgn for him and his programmer to look at, with no success.

    I just quietly quit using the device and eNotate program for about 8 months.  I had used it for about 5 years, going through 2 or 3 Dell Axims.

    It was November of last year that I ended up buying the Plycounter and it has worked with no problems since.

  • #216
    Eyechess wrote:
    KBachler wrote:
    Eyechess wrote:

    Brian, I have had and used a Plycounter now for well over 5 months.  i have had no problems with it.

    In fact I find it easier to use and more reliable than the eNotate system that I had and used on 3 different Dell Axim devices.  Yes, the Dell Axims went kapow.  And the software even had a glitch in it at the end, with the newest version.  Alas, Sevan has passed away and I am sure there will be no improvements to that system.  I also think his widow has shut down his Chess businesses and I am strongly suspicious that it is no longer available.

    What glitch?

    During the post mortem and playing the game score back, the program would freeze at an arbitrary point and not proceed giving any further moves on the device.  It did not always happen and it never happened at the same move or place in the game.  However it happened enough to be quite annoying.

    This was a definite software flaw as I tried it on 2 different devices with the same program iteration.  And happened consistently at the same point in the same game at all times.  It did not matter if I rebooted the device, re-saved the pgn and tried again or anything.

    I had talked with Sevan about the problem 3 or 4 times, so he knew about it.  His response was that it was indeed a glitch in the software.  I even sent him the pgn for him and his programmer to look at, with no success.

    I just quietly quit using the device and eNotate program for about 8 months.  I had used it for about 5 years, going through 2 or 3 Dell Axims.

    It was November of last year that I ended up buying the Plycounter and it has worked with no problems since.

    Odd, I've never had that happen.  Any chance it was peculiar to a particular version of PocketPC?  (I always did an upgrade to 6.0 through 6.5)

  • #217

    Ah, I didn't use a Pocket PC but a Dell Axim 51.  It was probably due to that format.

    When I first started with the program, in 2010, Sevan led me to the Dell Axim telling me the Pocket PC was a lot less common.  And it worked just fine for 4 years or so.  That is when Sevan had the program updated and the unit I was using quit, so I had to get another. 

    I didn't want to spend over $90 for a unit, especially since the Plycounter costs something like $180 while being a new device that is totally dedicated to scorekeeping.

  • #218

    My bad... I meant Windows Mobile (which succeeded PocketPC)

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