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Yes Mother.  Very gripping :) and .....clever.

No Ziryab.  Haven't read that one.  Is it good?  I've read The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, The Unbearable Lightness of Being and Immortality.

"To sit with a dog on a hillside on a glorious afternoon is to be back in Eden, where doing nothing was not boring - it was peace - Milan Kundera"

"True human goodness, in all its purity and freedom, can come to the fore only when its recipient has no power- Milan Kundera" 

"American coffee can be a pale solution served at a temperature of 100degrees centigrade in plastic thermos cups, usually obligatory in railroad stations for purposes of genocide, whereas coffee made with an American percolator such as you find in private houses or in a humble luncheonettes, served with eggs and bacon, is delicious, fragrant, goes down like pure spring water, and afterwards causes severe palpitations, because one cup contains more caffeine than four espressos.  - Umberto Eco"

bigpoison
Ziryab wrote:
electricpawn wrote:
AndyClifton wrote:
kco wrote:

He should know not to put a comma after nephews, right ?

Apparently there wasn't any red ink left for that.  So I'll help him out:

I have not, nor plan to read any of the books. I did see the first movie during a holiday outing in which the movie was selected by my sons, nephews, and nieces.

My understanding is that the comma would be optional.

It is the Oxford comma. It is required by those who favor precise writing, and forbidden by those who tolerate slop.

You can call it an Oxford comma if you really want, but it makes it no less misplaced.

I like peaches and pears, pheasant and grouse, and trout and halibut.  Am I missing three commas?

Ziryab
bigpoison wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
electricpawn wrote:
AndyClifton wrote:
kco wrote:

He should know not to put a comma after nephews, right ?

Apparently there wasn't any red ink left for that.  So I'll help him out:

I have not, nor plan to read any of the books. I did see the first movie during a holiday outing in which the movie was selected by my sons, nephews, and nieces.

My understanding is that the comma would be optional.

It is the Oxford comma. It is required by those who favor precise writing, and forbidden by those who tolerate slop.

You can call it an Oxford comma if you really want, but it makes it no less misplaced.

I like peaches and pears, pheasant and grouse, and trout and halibut.  Am I missing three commas?

You are demonstrating an instance where omitting the Oxford comma invites chaos.

motherinlaw

Oxford commanounanother term for serial comma.ORIGIN a characteristic of the house style of Oxford University Press.serial comma(also Oxford comma )nouna comma used after the penultimate item in a list of three or more items, before ‘and’ or ‘or’ (e.g. an Italian painter, sculptor, and architect).

Common arguments for consistent use of the serial comma:

  1. Use of the comma is consistent with conventional practice.[8]
  2. It matches the spoken cadence of sentences better.[9]
  3. It can resolve ambiguity (see examples below).[10]
  4. Its use is consistent with other means of separating items in a list (for example, when semicolons are used to separate items, a semicolon is consistently included before the last item even when and or or is present).[11]
  5. Its omission can suggest a stronger connection between the last two items in a series than actually exists.[12]

Common arguments against consistent use of the serial comma:

  1. Use of the comma is inconsistent with conventional practice.[13]
  2. The comma may introduce ambiguity (see argument #3 and examplesbelow).
  3. It is redundant in a simple list, because the and or the or is often meant to serve (by itself) to mark the logical separation between the final two items,[14] unless the final two items are not truly separate items but are two parts of a compound single item.
  4. Where space is at a premium, the comma adds unnecessary bulk to the text.

Many sources are against both systematic use and systematic avoidance of the serial comma, making recommendations in a more nuanced way.

 

There.  It took me a long time to compose this, so I hope this settles the issue..

P.S.  motherinlaw eats shoots and leaves. Smile

motherinlaw

Also, I agree with Ziryab:  I'm strongly opposed to anything that "invites chaos" in any situation.  In my opinion, that's just the kind of thing that can lead to ........chaos.

Ziryab

Lynn Truss makes her presence known, and the world of language is better for it.

Talfan1

BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE powerful emotive voices of a people robbed murdered betrayed that still makes this hardened cynical bas$$$d cry

ab121705
AndyClifton wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:
i think i am the last person left alive who has never read a Harry Potter book nor seen a Harry Potter movie. I hope to get around to it someday...

I have not, nor plan to read any of the books. I did see the first movie during a holiday outing in which the movie was selected by my sons, nephews, and nieces.

(I knew Ziryab would turn out to be a Comma Cop...)

Commas in a series definitely change the meaning, and it can change the entire sentence in some cases.

Ziryab, did you ever read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. Pretty good. 

kco
The final comma in these lists (before the word ‘and’) is known as the ‘serial comma’. Not all writers or publishers use it, but it is used by Oxford Dictionaries – some people refer to it as ‘the Oxford comma’. Using it can make your meaning clearer. Take a look at this sentence:
 
My favourite sandwiches are chicken, bacon and ham and cheese.
 
It isn’t entirely clear from this sentence whether the writer is listing three or four of their favourite sandwich fillings: is ‘ham’ one of their favourites and ‘cheese’ another, or is it ‘ham and cheese’ that they like? Adding an Oxford comma makes the meaning clear:
 
My favourite sandwiches are chicken, bacon, and ham and cheese.
Ziryab
ab121705 wrote:

Ziryab, did you ever read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. Pretty good. 

Yes. My copy came with stickers, too. There have been places in public schools where I have imagined pasting a few.

Ziryab
Steve212000 wrote:

Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

Let's not discuss how many times I read this book as a child. Too many.

ab121705
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:

Ziryab, did you ever read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. Pretty good. 

Yes. My copy came with stickers, too. There have been places in public schools where I have imagined pasting a few.

How about Politics and the English language (an essay, not a book) by Orwell? It's sooooo good. The guy was unique

Ziryab
ab121705 wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:

Ziryab, did you ever read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. Pretty good. 

Yes. My copy came with stickers, too. There have been places in public schools where I have imagined pasting a few.

How about Politics and the English language (an essay, not a book) by Orwell? It's sooooo good. The guy was unique

Nope. I think that I've read parts of it extracted as essays in college textbooks, but not the whole. Same thing with Animal Farm. I've somehow avoided reading it, though not through any volition. It has been on my list of "gonna read when I'm done with the dozen I'm reading now," but that list is always too long.

motherinlaw
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:

Ziryab, did you ever read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. Pretty good. 

Yes. My copy came with stickers, too. There have been places in public schools where I have imagined pasting a few.

How about Politics and the English language (an essay, not a book) by Orwell? It's sooooo good. The guy was unique

Nope. I think that I've read parts of it extracted as essays in college textbooks, but not the whole. Same thing with Animal Farm. I've somehow avoided reading it, though not through any volition. It has been on my list of "gonna read when I'm done with the dozen I'm reading now," but that list is always too long.

Animal Farm is cool --  and funny -- and short!  Hope you bump it up a few notches on your list .. Smile

AlCzervik

I've read this thread a few times.

motherinlaw
AlCzervik wrote:

I've read this thread a few times.

You must have an Excellent memory.  (It can sometimes be a curse, can't it?)

Ziryab
motherinlaw wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ab121705 wrote:

Ziryab, did you ever read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves. Pretty good. 

Yes. My copy came with stickers, too. There have been places in public schools where I have imagined pasting a few.

How about Politics and the English language (an essay, not a book) by Orwell? It's sooooo good. The guy was unique

Nope. I think that I've read parts of it extracted as essays in college textbooks, but not the whole. Same thing with Animal Farm. I've somehow avoided reading it, though not through any volition. It has been on my list of "gonna read when I'm done with the dozen I'm reading now," but that list is always too long.

Animal Farm is cool --  and funny -- and short!  Hope you bump it up a few notches on your list .. 

Isn't it a lot like reading the Wall Street Journal's coverage of our current Congress? Except that the animals are more humanlike.

motherinlaw

And smarter.

winerkleiner

I've read the odd number comments on this thread however skipping every seventh.  Doesn't count? 

motherinlaw
winerkleiner wrote:

I've read the odd number comments on this thread however skipping every seventh.  Doesn't count? 

No.  Sorry.  It reveals a serious dearth of commitment on your part.

You have Clearly elected Not to fully explore this forum's rich cornicopia of invaluable commentary on literature --- Priceless information for the serious reader, provided, free of charge, by a whole ton of erudite chess players! (myself included, of course)  

I'm just glad I didn't post something like that myself!  Personally, I'd have been mortified.  But maybe you can get past this ... maybe confession IS good for the soul, and you'll feel better with time.  I do hope so. :-)