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New (& cheaper) DGT e-board

  • #61
    andresssouza wrote:

    But going back to DGT boards, do you guys think that the new Smart Board might have better hardware than the previous wooden boards? With new hardware the plastic board would be somehow faster than the old ones?

    I am asking because I think DGT would never say that to avoid killing the wooden boards.

    I suspect the design has not changed with the new smart board.  The internal parts are most likely the same, this would make the most cost affective approach for a company.  The cost reduction is said to be with the plastic board and pieces.  Both much cheaper to make.

    I'm not aware of the DGT boards having a speed issue.  If there is an improvement with speed I suspect the same improvement would be so for the wooden e-boards made this year as well.

    Sort term, I'm guessing the wooden e-boards will remain popular.  Without a crystal ball or crazy 8 ball for some of us, its difficult to say.  :-)

    Ten years from now, I would guess plastic is likely more common then the wooden boards... if I had to predict the future... the wooden DGT boards might be on the way out anyway is my guess.  With the exception of the "high-end" GM tournaments.

  • #62
    kenardi wrote:

    @mgx9600 why do you insist on comparing your boards to DGT?

     

    The DGT is the golden standard in this area; here, I want a board that's as natural as the DGT.  

     

    The only problem with DGT is their expensive pieces. I want a cheap e-board but not one that compromises natural movements and use ordinary plastic pieces.  Cheap (to me) means low cost of ownership.  Kids are tough on pieces and things get lost.

     

     

     

    That is also why I've spent a lot of time working on optical e-boards.  I really wanted to make an e-board that works for unweighted plastic pieces.

     

  • #63
    kenardi wrote:
    andresssouza wrote:

    But going back to DGT boards, do you guys think that the new Smart Board might have better hardware than the previous wooden boards? With new hardware the plastic board would be somehow faster than the old ones?

    I am asking because I think DGT would never say that to avoid killing the wooden boards.

    I suspect the design has not changed with the new smart board.  The internal parts are most likely the same, this would make the most cost affective approach for a company.  The cost reduction is with the plastic board and pieces.  Both much cheaper to make.

    I'm not aware of the DGT boards having a speed issue.  If there is an improvement with speed I suspect the same would be so for the wooden e-boards made this year. 

     

    You are guessing just like all your other posts.  Use facts; I mean, you don't even own a DGT board.  Have you even used one?  Bring something concrete/more useful than "I suspect/I guess/ I have no idea but I'll say it anyway" to the table.

     

    The BT boards scans at 6 Hz  -- a major enough improvement that they specifically mention (see http://www.digitalgametechnology.com/index.php/products/electronic-boards/bluetooth/194-dgt-bluetooth-wireless-e-board ).  It's an increase from their USB version, which some complained about bullet type games.  I have some ideas why they can't increase it easily because I faced the same issues early in my designs.

  • #64

    Now, you might say, why ?  6Hz seems rather fast!  Yes, for normal movements it works just fine, but now, imagine knocking over piece accidentally and picking it back up and making the move.  It demands very fast scans.

     

     

  • #65

    @mgx9600 everything is contest with you.  you just said the same thing I did...

    your link for the "speed increase" is for the wireless e-boards... not the smart boards that are USB boards.

  • #66
    kenardi wrote:

    @mgx9600 everything is contest with you.  you just said the same thing I did. 

     

    We'd tear you apart at work.  I don't guess unless it is stated clearly.  Everything you said is based on your guesses.  You guess DGT's smartboard internal design is the same as wooden; where's your proof?  Note that what I said was based on their product description and not on guesses!

     

    I'd be scared to use any products you design.  Guesses are not the basis for good products.   You must first proof your guess; you know all that scientific method stuff.  Did you even finish HS ?

     

  • #67
    mgx9600 wrote:
    kenardi wrote:

    @mgx9600 everything is contest with you.  you just said the same thing I did. 

     

    We'd tear you apart at work.  I don't guess unless it is stated clearly.  Everything you said is based on your guesses.  You guess DGT's smartboard internal design is the same as wooden; where's your proof?  Note that what I said was based on their product description and not on guesses!

     

    I'd be scared to use any products you design.  Guesses are not the basis for good products.   You must first proof your guess; you know all that scientific method stuff.  Did you even finish HS ?

     

    Now you are just acting like a teenager.  Have a nice day.

  • #68

    @kenardi, your lack of knowledge on the things you say is just unbelievable.  Even when you are lost you don't see it.  

  • #69
    mgx9600 wrote:

    @kenardi, your lack of knowledge on the things you say is just unbelievable.  Even when you are lost you don't see it.  

    I'm sure that makes sense on some planet,  Like I said, have a nice day!

  • #70

    The dgt wood board is nice, but the pieces kinda suck for the price they charge.. glue showing up on top of kings, different weights on white vs black  pieces, towers very fragile (mine came broken-replaced at no cost, i must say). It is a good board to play and register the moves, but the quality should be muuuch better for the high price tag. The fide pieces are a joke.. hyper expensive and ugly. 

  • #71

    That's one of the things that makes DGT e-boards expensive to use (cost of ownership WRT replacement pieces).

     

    I'm currently working on an e-board that will work with _ANY_ chessmen (all wooden, all plastic, etc.) with natural movement.

     

    It is actually looking pretty good; was able to solve a problem a technical issue that I thought was too difficult. Unlike my other e-boards (which has various restrictions on pieces and/or board), this e-board can use _ANY_ chessmen.

     

    If I get some time, I'll put up a demo video.

     

  • #72

    >>

    I'm currently working on an e-board that will work with _ANY_ chessmen (all wooden, all plastic, etc.) with natural movement.

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    This sounds like a very good project indeed. Are you considering going to kickstarter for crowdfunding a small production run?

  • #73

    I'm not thinking about kickstarter as I wasn't planning to sell these e-boards.  The goal is to equip all USCF scholastic tournaments with e-boards so all games are published; where the e-boards are provided to the tournament organizers free (or nearly free).

     

    I've been working on this thing for the past 6 months-ish; the major issue is HW.  Currently, the best finished e-board I have is the induction board (which can use _ANY_ _WEIGHTED_ chess pieces and _ANY_ chessboards).  But I don't like the weighted piece requirement (more tournaments uses unweighted pieces), while the _ANY_ chessboard is nice, it isn't useful for my goal.

     

    Right now, I think optical might actually work well enough (I had abandoned it a while ago because of various issues).  If so, it will make the project very interesting.

     

  • #74

    grin.png hop on the crazy train...

    https://youtu.be/RMR5zf1J1Hs

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