Questions on chess bazaar.

ghost_of_pushwood

And apparently now discussing chess pieces is a sign of immaturity!

Haverumwilltravel

Yeah when you pay $800.00 for a Noj set they better be perfect. 

sound67

Just to reinforce the point I made above: Importing products from abroad can greatly influences [as in: increases] the final retail price. And it works in both directions:

E.g., Chessbazaar import burlwood ash & birdseye maple boards from Spain. More precisely, they import boards made by Ferrer. Now, let's look at the prices, shall we.....

Now, these boards, available here in 55mm field size in various colour options (red, green, blue, grey) are offered by CB  at €300:

https://www.chessbazaar.com/wooden-deluxe-blue-ash-burl-white-erable-hi-gloss-finish-chess-board-22-55-mm.html

Now, nobody actually pays the regular listed price at CB. Let's take 20% off, and then another standard discount of 25% off, that gets us to €180.

The same boards are available in Europe for significantly less,, e.g. €115:

https://www.schachversand-ullrich.de/spielmaterial/schachbretter/17/schachbrett-saphir?c=64

If you think the CB prices are excessive .... think again. 

The same board, this time in grey, is also available on Etsy from a shop called "DesignerChess" - have a look at the price:

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/252730838/grauer-asche-maser-holz-chess-board-22?ref=shop_home_active_32&frs=1

It's €316,49 at present [prices are calculated in USD, so they're subject to change]

NOW! I bought two of these same Ferrer boards in 55mm field size last week:


Trust me, they're the same boards made by Ferrer. 55mm field size. Glossy finish.

Well, I did some shopping around, and maybe I was just lucky, but I got these boards for €65 each. New. Can you imagine what the wholesale prices of these are?

And that's my point: It's the import/export game companies have to play, in either direction.  Essentially, you pay for the import tax, income tax, energy costs, staff cost, advertising budget, rent, and margin of every single party in between.

It's not excessive. It's not fraud. It's how economy works! wink.png

And the same applies to Indian chess pieces being exported to the UK or the US. 100% to 150% markup by the party in the sales chain. It could never work  any other way. Nothing wrong with that: You have a seller in your own country, with domestic rules concerning warranty and returns - that's a great comfort.  

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
sound67 wrote:

Well, I did some shopping around, and maybe I was just lucky, but I got these boards for €65 each. New. Can you imagine what the wholesale prices of these are?

And that's my point: It's the import/export game companies have to play, in either direction.  Essentially, you pay for the import tax, income tax, energy costs, staff cost, advertising budget, rent, and margin of every single party in between.

It's not excessive. It's not fraud. It's how economy works!

And the same applies to Indian chess pieces being exported to the UK or the US. 100% to 150% markup by the party in the sales chain. It could never work  any other way. Nothing wrong with that: You have a seller in your own country, with domestic rules concerning warranty and returns - that's a great comfort.  

But actually Chess pieces and even boards made in India are relatively inexpensive including shipping. Even if you bought the Ebony, Sheesham, Rosewood, Bloodrosewood boards from chessbazaar, RCM, chessbyIndia you get them for cheap including free shipping. But I can't imagine importing from House of Staunton or chessUSA or Wholesalechess. The shipping alone would cost $60+ for which I will buy 2 German Knight sets from  chessbazaar. Shipping charges $ŪČK$.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess

@sound67
Is this Red Ash burl? This looks reddish.


The board sold by Chessbazaar looks brownish compared to this. 


Was this because of the background? It don't seems so. Or chessbazaar selling Brown Ash burl as red one? 

sound67

The boards are all made by Ferrer in Spain, http://www.rechapadosferrer.com/en/tableros.html. Individual color contrasts on photos may vary, but they're obviously the same boards. 

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
sound67 wrote:

The boards are all made by Ferrer in Spain, http://www.rechapadosferrer.com/en/tableros.html. Individual color contrasts on photos may vary, but they're obviously the same boards. 

Are these green, red and blue colours natural wood? I wonder what kind of trees have such colour!

forked_again
Mohan_Kumar_Chess wrote:

@sound67
Is this Red Ash burl? This looks reddish.


The board sold by Chessbazaar looks brownish compared to this. 


Was this because of the background? It don't seems so. Or chessbazaar selling Brown Ash burl as red one? 

I'm tending to think the opposite. The Chess Bazaar wood looks like a natural color.  The other board looks too red, like its been stained.  

But maybe they are both red ash.  Trees can vary a lot naturally.  

Mohan_Kumar_Chess

@forked_again
So, the green and blue colours are stained?
http://www.rechapadosferrer.com/en/tableros-de-ajedrez/rechapados_ferrer_1.html

http://www.rechapadosferrer.com/en/tableros-de-ajedrez/rechapados_ferrer_5.html

forked_again

I am no wood expert, but I know of no other explanation for wood colors like that, other than staining.

Eyechess
forked_again wrote:

I am no wood expert, but I know of no other explanation for wood colors like that, other than staining.

 

Well,...

There is the blue grass of Kentucky.  Maybe the blue wood comes from the grass fed trees in Kentucky?!?

And of course there are trees in Greenland...

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
Eyechess wrote:

 

Well,...

There is the blue grass of Kentucky.  Maybe the blue wood comes from the grass fed trees in Kentucky?!?

And of course there are trees in Greenland...

🤣😂🤣

sound67
forked_again hat geschrieben:

I'm tending to think the opposite. The Chess Bazaar wood looks like a natural color.  The other board looks too red, like its been stained.  

But maybe they are both red ash.  Trees can vary a lot naturally.  

They're the same. I took the photo(s) on my Huawei P30 Pro, which tends to oversaturate colours. 

Although the board is called "ruby", it's actually more of an intense salmon colour. But not brown (there's also a brown version called "garnet")

The wood is burlwood ash, then it's dyed in green, blue, red, brown & grey, respectively.

The finish is glossy on all of these boards, but there's also a matte version in black, which of course detracts from the marvelous figure that ash has.