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A "Richard Whitty" ?! set resurfaces?

bubbles_the_cat

A Richard Whitty set resurfaces?

 

 

 

 

bubbles_the_cat

"Richard Whitty was a carver in the John Jaques factory in London. Richard Whitty operated his business from a shop located at 14 Tithebarn Street, Liverpool." - chessantiques

 

Pawnerai

"Auctioneer's estimate: 300 GBP - 500 GBP"
Dyaaaamn... I think they are missing a zero. 300gbp gets you a 4" leaning Lardy noawadays. 

Those two porcelain pugs are up to 55gbp (Lot#1714). LOL

bubbles_the_cat

I wonder how high it will go for, or how little?

Are "Whitty" sets really that sought after? Also, are there any experts here on Whitty? Did he really make these sets himself and work for Jaques as a carver?

Btw, I am only claiming it is "Whitty" since it matches the set owned by this person below, Jon Crumiller. The site makes no mention of Whitty in the description. He seems to have an even larger chess collection than Frank Camaratta.

 

http://chessantique.com/chess/chess_pages/staunton/WhittyIvorySet.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

madmacsback
@bubbles_the_cat, Jon Crumiller has one of the largest collections of antique sets and ephemera in North America, if not the world. Frank has quite a few, but not the sheer quantity of Jon’s. Jon has exhibited, on at least two occasions that I know of, portions of his collection at the World Chess Hall of Fame in St. Louis. As it happens, I own three Whitty sets; two boxwood and one ivory set. The set for sale on The Saleroom,com is undoubtedly Whitty. They don’t come up that often, and can often be had much more reasonably than Jaques sets.

As for whether he worked for Jaques at one time, that has never been substantiated. However, the exceptional quality of his work is undeniable, and the presence of his and his brother’s shop in Liverpool has been proven.
Pawnerai

It just so happens a friend of mine is in the UK at the moment, returning in a few weeks. He can bid for me and bring it with him back to the US.

Anything I should know about with ivory products and bringing them into the US? Carry the chess pieces onto the plane as carry-on. And just "forget" about declaring it? I've brought Cuban cigars for personal use into the US on a flight from the Dominican Republic without a problem. No experience with ivory products though. Anyone here with experience? I'd hate for him to have a problem at customs with this if he's doing me the favor.

madmacsback
@Pawnerai, It could be a very expensive lesson, especially if it was confiscated at the airport, either in England or in the US on landing. While it is still technically legal to bring antique, worked ivory, like chess sets, into the country with the correct CITES documentation, the Customs service, if they catch you, will confiscate it. Shipping it in is equally risky. I don’t know what the legal penalties are other. Than confiscation, but I wouldn’t want to expose any friend of mine to such a risk. The English postal service actually confiscated a bone set that I bought and paid for, thinking it was ivory. Fortunately, EBay refunded me. I think the seller took the loss on it.
magictwanger

Sheesh! Ivory sets were in the windows of all the gift shops,in Mnahattan,when I worked there ....

Way back in the day.,,,,,,Even then,not cheap.

greghunt

The price of ivory sets appears to have fallen a long way over the last several years.  The last one that sold in my part of the world that I was aware of went for the equivalent of about UKP900, but I can remember the prices having another digit log ago.  

shaunlawler
Any predictions what it will go for?
Pawnerai
madmacsback wrote:
@Pawnerai, It could be a very expensive lesson, especially if it was confiscated at the airport, either in England or in the US on landing. While it is still technically legal to bring antique, worked ivory, like chess sets, into the country with the correct CITES documentation, the Customs service, if they catch you, will confiscate it. Shipping it in is equally risky. I don’t know what the legal penalties are other. Than confiscation, but I wouldn’t want to expose any friend of mine to such a risk. The English postal service actually confiscated a bone set that I bought and paid for, thinking it was ivory. Fortunately, EBay refunded me. I think the seller took the loss on it.

Thanks for the insight. I have to be honest, the more I research the ivory trade and the restrictions/ban on USA imports, the more it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

*EDIT* After mulling it over a few days, I've come to the sad conclusion that a beautiful majestic elephant should not have likely been killed to harvest its tusks to make game pieces for enjoyment. This is just my personal opinion. I'm not here to preach. It's a beautiful looking set of chess pieces. Just not for me. 

bubbles_the_cat
greghunt wrote:

The price of ivory sets appears to have fallen a long way over the last several years.  The last one that sold in my part of the world that I was aware of went for the equivalent of about UKP900, but I can remember the prices having another digit log ago.  

 

@greghunt @shaunlawler This set went for 700 gbp.

greghunt
Thats not far off the auctioneer’s estimate. I suspect that Auction prices, ebay prices and internet antique dealer prices are three different things.