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TundraMike

@Gbhuriaux  How long have you had it?  

Gbhuriaux

normally i will receive my order on monday.

TundraMike
Gbhuriaux wrote:

normally i will receive my order on monday.

Did you order it a long time ago? I hope to get mine within 3 weeks. Sounds very nice for a decent price. I like the fact they can keep sending firmware updates to it instead of having to buy a new unit. 

Enjoy it, Chess is a fantastic hobby, lifelong. 

CAMikaze385

$269 at Chess House with a extra $40 off via the code " ROLLUP " at checkout.

JohnnyRooker
Bronco wrote:

One thing that I fear with this is how long will the app work with constant updates to OS in mobile devices. Does anyone think that eventually it will become obsolete? Even the old electronic chess boards still work today because they are not handcuffed to a mobile app.

It is almost a certainty that it will stop being supported one day. Whether that’s fifteen years from now or next year, there is no way to tell.

Gbhuriaux

I ordered it last Saturday at the USCF shop, free shipping worldwide, for € 230 = $ 269. I don't worry about Android updates, the E-Board contains very little electronics so it will last a long time. It is still possible to keep an old Touch Pad if you are careful. But I think Square OFF wants to take the leadership by being aware of the importance of mobility in the game of chess, they managed to convince the USCF to promote their product, it is not nothing
and they are ahead of DGT and Chessbase in this area. They pulled the rug out from under DGT by releasing the Square Off Pro first at a very competitive price.  Now I have been following the improvements in the Square Off app very often updated, you can use it even without owning a Square Off chess board! In French we say, ils ont les dents longues, they have long teeth = very ambitious, they have an interest in treating their clients by attacking the professional market. Maybe the Square Off Pro will even be officially used in tournaments and equip clubs, I think something like that is brewing. And maybe... Elon Musk will order hundreds to avoid to be bored on Mars !!!

 

zbieraj
zbieraj wrote:

Can you use DGT pieces instead of this weird Square Off Pro design?

Anyone? happy.png

pdxchessman

I have experimented with hacking the DGT Centaur and using my own pieces and have been very successful doing it. I haven't experimented with hacking the PRO yet, but plan to. The tip on the polarity sounds promising.

The trouble I had with the Square Off Pro updating firmware on my Google Mesh system was frustrating. I finally had to "trick" the router by taking my phone outside and outside the range of 5.0 in order to do so. I finally accomplished it, and am hoping that the router now defaults to the lower setting when using this app. I'm hoping the code is adjusted for 5.0 eventually.

I played with the Pro and like it, but experienced the same kind of bugs in online play as others have mentioned. I had to abort several games when the app stopped connecting to the board, but I discovered that this was user error on my part. (Make sure if you have multiple devices with BT nearby that you turn off the BT on those devices--I had multiple devices trying to connect at once and that seemed to be the problem.) 

The board is finicky with piece placement, and I have had moves incorrectly notated, but not often. In general, it does what it says it will do.

I'm frustrated that I can't play AI on Chess.com, but understand from Square Off that Chess.com does not allow them access to their bots. What really frustrates me is I cannot choose color when playing live (except on lichess--a much better interface) and it is assigned at random. That would seem to be a simple fix, however I think that's a backend Chess.com thing. The new beta Chess.com app that works with my Millennium boards--while it works very well--also has severe limitations, like a ten minute game only and no choice of color. I think the weak link in all of these systems is Chess.com's willingness to adjust their code--  although that is just a theory.

I'm hoping Pegasus has a more robust app, since DGT has such a huge presence in the marketplace and may have more influence at getting the kind of cooperation needed.

Finally, I want to note that for ease of play and the experience of all of it, nothing beats my Millennium piece recognition boards--buttery smooth, always right. But--much more costly than the Square off system. 

All in all, I think the Pro is a good value, providing you are willing to put up with its limitations, some of which are probably outside their control (like the limitations of the interface with Chess.com)

Gbhuriaux

for zbieraj : Dgt uses 2 different pieces recognition systems, the radio system for DGT E-board and Smart-board, the type of piece is automatically recognized when placed on any square, the magnetic system for the Centaur and Pegasus, the pieces are recognized from their initial position at the start of the game and to set up a position, it is necessary to indicate to the application what type of piece is placed on the square. So on the Square Off Pro, any piece with a magnet should work including those of the Centaur and the Pegasus but not those of the E-Board and Smart-Board.  The proof  : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDscqRoki_M&t=6s     All about Square off pro : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnk6Y2hk4Mg73tE-bLyxepg

 

MassiveTempo

Square Off claims that this is the first rollable eboard in the world. This is far from true. They are copying a cheap roll up board that was in the market before them. This company is lying to people.

karlth
MassiveTempo wrote:

Square Off claims that this is the first rollable eboard in the world. This is far from true. They are copying a cheap roll up board that was in the market before them. This company is lying to people.

 

I think that board used a pressure sensing mechanism.  It was more of a toy than an electronic board.

meetarnav
MassiveTempo wrote:

Square Off claims that this is the first rollable eboard in the world. This is far from true. They are copying a cheap roll up board that was in the market before them. This company is lying to people.

 

A discontinued product from 2011? Seriously? You couldn't find anything from the 90s?

karlth
Gbhuriaux wrote:

for zbieraj : Dgt uses 2 different pieces recognition systems, the radio system for DGT E-board and Smart-board, the type of piece is automatically recognized when placed on any square, the magnetic system for the Centaur and Pegasus, the pieces are recognized from their initial position at the start of the game and to set up a position, it is necessary to indicate to the application what type of piece is placed on the square. So on the Square Off Pro, any piece with a magnet should work including those of the Centaur and the Pegasus but not those of the E-Board and Smart-Board.  The proof  : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDscqRoki_M&t=6s     All about Square off pro : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnk6Y2hk4Mg73tE-bLyxepg

 

 

I'm so impressed with the magnetic system of the Pro and Pegasus/Centaur.  It is such an elegant solution that suits casual play perfectly.

MassiveTempo
karlth wrote:
MassiveTempo wrote:

Square Off claims that this is the first rollable eboard in the world. This is far from true. They are copying a cheap roll up board that was in the market before them. This company is lying to people.

 

I think that board used a pressure sensing mechanism.  It was more of a toy than an electronic board.

Yes, that was an electronic board that used a USB connection to the computer. 

MassiveTempo
meetarnav wrote:
MassiveTempo wrote:

Square Off claims that this is the first rollable eboard in the world. This is far from true. They are copying a cheap roll up board that was in the market before them. This company is lying to people.

 

A discontinued product from 2011? Seriously? You couldn't find anything from the 90s?

The point is that they cannot claim that Square Off Pro is the first rollable eboard in the world because that is not true. Even if it was from the 90s. I own one of those old roll up boards.