1.e4 f5 : me and my oversized ego vs all of you


  • 19 months ago · Quote · #381

    drybasin

    Jion_Wansu wrote:
     

     

     

    I don't see how it is lost...

    5.Ng5 isn't even necessary.  White can just simply develop with 5.Nc3 in a much easier position, while Black's formation is full of holes, his development is awkward, and it's not even clear how he can even really proceed to get any good counterplay, especially since his only real idea of a pawn break, c7-c5, is hampered by the e7-pawn blocking in the dark-squared bishop.  White already has a big advantage after five moves, while I honestly cannot find any reedeeming factor in Black's position.  If it isn't lost already, then it's so bad that I'm sure even a tiny inaccuracy will make sure that it's lost.

    While we're on the subject of this position, please explain what the point of 4...Be6? is, because I am truly confounded.  Similar ideas in the Snake Benoni "work" because the goal is to transfer the bishop to a possibly better diagonal, either the e1-a5 or a1-h6 diagonals.  Here, however......to put it mildly, that bishop is useless on e6.  Might as well explain the point behind 2...g6 as well, and why you think it's better for white to play 3.e5?! instead of the more natural and superior 3.exf5.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #382

    Jion_Wansu

    Be6 is to throw off your opponent into thinking he/she wins.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #383

    drybasin

    Jion_Wansu wrote:

    Be6 is to throw off your opponent into thinking he/she wins.

    It certainly succeeds at that by making Black's position much worse.  Makes it a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, in fact.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #384

    ClavierCavalier

    Yeah, this 3. exf5 idea seems to win.  Black goes into full defense on turn 3.

    Or something.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #385

    BirdBrain

    If I was gonna play all that stuff, I Would probably play 5...Bg7 rather than ...Rg8.  Might as well keep the rook on the h-file, and the king can go to f8.  Not sure it will do much better, but at this point, why cling to the pawn on g6?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #386

    TitanCG

    What's wrong with 2...fxe4?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #387

    Jion_Wansu

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  • 14 months ago · Quote · #388

    Jion_Wansu

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #389

    DarkVlader

    0random wrote:

    My computer suggests g5! which develops the pawn and allows the bishop to fianchetto on g7. The h5-e8 diagonal is weakened, but thats only a minor problem! After g5!, the f4 and h4 squares are controlled by black and black is better -+ good game well played

    My computer is so smart right?

    Ha ha umm no.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #390

    BirdBrain

    TitanCG wrote:

    What's wrong with 2...fxe4?

    Nothing at all, but if you are gonna play that gambit for whatever reason, why play ...Rg8?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #391

    TitanCG

    BirdBrain wrote:
    TitanCG wrote:

    What's wrong with 2...fxe4?

    Nothing at all, but if you are gonna play that gambit for whatever reason, why play ...Rg8?

    I'm not really sure if it matters too much but even after a move like Bg7 White is going to have pawns on d4 and c3 that play against that bishop. I figure if White allows fxe4 then Black can just get rid of White's center pawn without having to gambit anything.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #392

    BirdBrain

    I totally agree.  I am a Dutch player, so I wouldn't hesitate to play ...fxe4.  I have actually played e4 f5 quite a few times for kicks.  I think it requires a pawn gambit to get reasonable play. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #393

    Elroch

    I don't understand the OP. Is the idea to exhibit a game with the most consecutive blunders?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #394

    BirdBrain

    The idea is to have fun.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #395

    Elroch

    Seems to me chess is more fun if you respect the objective of the game. Here is my view. (?? means probably changes the theoretical result, ? means may possibly change the result.)

    1.e4 f5?? 2.d4?? g6?? 3.e5? d5? 4.Nf3 Be6 5.Ng5 Qd7

    So it's not all bad.

    [Exercise: spot the often quite obvious best moves].

    P.S. I checked my assessment with an engine and the assessments above are consistent with it, I am pleased to say.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #396

    Jion_Wansu

    Jion_Wansu wrote:

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #397

    BirdBrain

    Well, this might be true, and so the handicap that the superior side received was having to start after 1. e4 f5 2. exf5.  However, they were able to use Stockfish and what not.  Many greats in the past offered odds, and they still do this (often time odds these days).

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #398

    Elroch

    I should point out that I mistook post #381 for the OP! It's that damn white on light grey.

    Perhaps this might explain any misunderstanding.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #399

    BirdBrain

    Elroch wrote:

    I should point out that I mistook post #381 for the OP! It's that damn white on light grey.

    Perhaps this might explain any misunderstanding.

    I think you should read the entire thing, this thread is a great fun read!

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #400

    Elroch

    Of course the assessments stand. Smile


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