A <600 Game I Saw At My Chess Club(opening)

  • #1

  • #2

    after fxe5, isnt there bxg1?

  • #3

    bxg1 rxg1 qh4+ looks lights out for white!

  • #4

    I'd say the bad move is 5.d4 Think about 5...Qh4+

  • #5

    true, but I think that Bxg1 is technically better, as there was no guarantee that white would go for d4. 

  • #6

    The annotating up there is wrong.

  • #7

    @Metaknight251 I'm just saying that the annotation says 5.d4 as a good move, when it isn't.

  • #8

    yes after d4 -qh4 check g3-qxe4 check and wins the rook

  • #9

    There is 6.Kd2 though.

  • #10

    If 6.Kd2 Bxd4 and black is better.

  • #11

    Isn't this position bad for white ? 



  • #12
    chessgdt wrote:

    after fxe5, isnt there bxg1?

    e4,e5,f4 Qh4+, pg3,pxp,nf3,Qxep+ and h1 rook is lost. Opening for white of e3 and f4 is best left for players w/ a lot of games .....too easy for a very bad ,and quit,lost!

  • #13
    eddysallin wrote:
    chessgdt wrote:

    after fxe5, isnt there bxg1?

    e4,e5,f4 Qh4+, pg3,pxp,nf3,Qxep+ and h1 rook is lost. Opening for white of e3 and f4 is best left for players w/ a lot of games .....too easy for a very bad ,and quit,lost!

     

    e4 e5 f4 Qh4+ g3 exf4?? gxh4 1-0

  • #14

    Reminds me of my very first day at a real life chess club.  After about an hour I was in between games and walked over to two older gentlemen hunched over a position, with a few spectators around their board.  I looked at the position, and noticed white's rook was hanging.  It must be an intense position I thought.  I wanted to try to figure out why the rook coudln't be taken before the next move.


    After a long thought black finally took the rook.  The white player jerked back in his seat!  Was the trap sprung I thought?!  White exclaimed "Oh!  I didn't see that!"

    As I came to find out, it was not a strong club :)

  • #15
    waffllemaster wrote:

    Reminds me of my very first day at a real life chess club.  After about an hour I was in between games and walked over to two older gentlemen hunched over a position, with a few spectators around their board.  I looked at the position, and noticed white's rook was hanging.  It must be an intense position I thought.  I wanted to try to figure out why the rook coudln't be taken before the next move.


    After a long thought black finally took the rook.  The white player jerked back in his seat!  Was the trap sprung I thought?!  White exclaimed "Oh!  I didn't see that!"

    As I came to find out, it was not a strong club :)

    Laughing, so did you join up another club ?

  • #16

    No, I stayed in that one for ~9 years lol.  A lot of the casual players left quickly though, and a handful of tournament players remained.  At the time I was probably 1200-1300 strength.

    I did start frequenting a club for a few years in there which offered me more competition though (aka gave me a beatdown).  Which was very beneficial.  I still visit a few times a year.

    Today I'd love it if there were a club of masters I could go to and get beat up and free lessons in the post mortems.  Some of the most useful (to me) advice I've gotten has been after a game when they make some simple comment like "you shouldn't have opened the queenside like that" and I'm like "oooooooooooooohhhhh, that makes sense"

  • #17

    Move to Europe.

  • #18

    Too bad, it's far away :p

  • #19

    So what exactly was the point of all this anyway...?

  • #20

    The annotating in this game is bad. 5. d4 is a blunder, 5... Qh4+ leaves Black with a large advantage and the ability to force a win. After the best reply 6. Ke2 6... d5! is the best move. If 7. dxe5 Black mates in 2 moves with 7... Qxe4+ and then 8... Qe3# or 8... Qxe3#, depending on White's reply. If White plays 7. dxe5, 7... Bg4+ is crushing. The only way for White to save the Queen is to play 8. Nf3, and after 8... dxe4 White is dead lost.  7. Nf3 seems the best reply, after which Black can answer with either 7... Qxe4+ or 7... Bg4 and easily win (7... Qxe4 seems better).

    Obviously, the mistake is 5. d4.

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