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c3 - Saragossa opening. Is it good?

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blueemu

If I was going to play 1. c3 I would probably play it as some sort of colors-reversed Pirc or King's Indian... so I wouldn't be playing 2. d4. Not unless I was heading for a reversed Caro-Kann.

baptistpreach
If Karjakin finds this thread, I think c3 will be his weapon of choice!
ILoveJingWen

Decided to try the reverse Sicilian idea. It ended up being a silly, but fun game happy.png

Lippy-Lion

Back to the original question.

 

1.c3 is actually a very decent move practically speaking.  The aim of an opening is generally to achieve a position you are more comfortable playing than your opponent and 1.c3 gives a good chance to confuse your opponent into playing unfamiliar positions, at very little risk as c3 is solid and useful.

 

1.c3 e5.  Presumably played by e4 players or just on general principles. However after 2.d4 exd 3.cxd4 we reach a queens gambit declined exchnge variation. If black does not know the theory (very likely wont) then he can easily get into trouble.

 

1.c3 d5 white has many decent tries.  2.f4 goes for a reversed dutch, where white can either head for a stonewall or leningrad structure. 2.d4 instead can lead to a london system if white chooses, and the move order cuts out the lines where black pressures b2 or white can just play reversed slav. The Colle system is another option. Again if black does not know it he can quickly b worse.  Or be more original with 2.d3 or suchlike for reversed old indian type stuff

 

1.c3 c5 white can play 2.e4 for a c3 sicilian or if happy to draw play 2.d4 for very solid but boring, or play 2.b4 which gives more original positions

 

1.c3 Nf6. Again white can play d4 and choose any number of setups. Torre attack one possible or just develop colle style and eventually play e4. Another option I like is to play 2.Qc2 3.d3 4.e4 and go into positions that are similar to philidor/old indian reversed type positions

 

Basically white does not need to learn a huge amount of theory gets good easy play, decent positions and a middlegame he likes, while black if he is not careful gets tricked into plying something he does not know. 

 

PawnGrabberYM

 

blueemu
melvinbluestone wrote:

    FYI:

    The opening is named after Sara Gossa (1814-1891), was suffered from triple vision.

I have it on good authority that it was named after Sir A. Gossen, who had very short arms and couldn't move his Pawns past the third rank.

darkunorthodox88

the problem with 1.e3, 1.d3 and 1.c3 is that  they have almost no independence significance, and their transpositional value  is harmless. (compare this with move like 1.nc3 and 1.g3 which can be played without necessarily transposing and get interesting play). 

Trying to play these moves as their corresponding black defenses a tempo up is not particularly advantageous at all (1.d3 is prob the best of the 3 in the sense, if you play it like reversed pirc, but 1.g3 is probably better for that purpose anyways)

i really think of the 3, 1.c3 is just the most harmless. I have never seen an objectively respectable line that is really not a meek version of something else with it. You can 1. play a sort of caro or slav like formation a tempo up which you would be lucky to maintain an ounce of advantage 2. tranpose to a sicilian or old benoni with a sly tempo delay 3. try to force your way back into pirc-like territory hoping c3 didnt restrict your options too early. It just fails to meet the criteria of the two main philosophies of white openings; it neither fights for advantage nor try to steer the game into juicy complexities.

That's why you never hear of the e3,d3 ,c3 trio. They are objectively better than their rarity in otb play at high levels, but thats it.

ScotchYa

 

Dale

1.c3 is great if you want to win quickly.

 

llamonade2
Dale wrote:

1.c3 is great if you want to win quickly.

 

Standard chess.com analysis, but perhaps not standard NM analysis wink.png

Dale

Another possibility would be....

 

teddylukas

c3 d4 e3 or e4 you have good center control and win a pawn. I found this because I played the English opening but mouse-slipped and played c3. I hope you find this useful